To be considering ditching cows milk?

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I've been hearing so many bad things about it lately and after drinking it, mainly in hot drinks, I'm thinking of giving it up.

Stories of pus in the milk has put me off. Plus the whole way the dairy industry is.

I need to find a decent alternative for coffee though as struggle taking it without milk.

@MCP86 where can you get that please?

Most supermarkets do organic oat milk.

You need to stop reading vegan propaganda on milk, OP. Most of the stuff they spout is from the US industry. Bears no resemblance to the U.K.

If no one drank milk there would be billions fewer cows in the world. I wonder what would happen to the land they graze on. Revert to forest and prairie I guess.

I get it from sainsburys and Tesco.
(Cost 20p more in Tesco)

I really want to give up cow’s milk to see if my skin improves (I have rosacea and nothing else has helped) but haven’t been able to find a plant milk I like. I only like skimmed milk in tea/coffee/cereal/porridge, what would be the closest? Can’t stand creamy milk.

the dairy industry is truly cruel and barbaric, and there are so many alternatives now. worse than meat, imo.

Oatly Barista ingredients:

Oat base (water, oats 10 %), rapeseed oil, acidity regulator (dipotassium phosphate), calcium carbonate, calcium phosphates, iodised salt, vitamins (D2, riboflavin, B12)

Yum, so healthy

Oatly barista in coffee, regular Oatly or Alpro oat milk for tea and everything else. If you're also looking at swapping butter, Flora's whole range is now dairy free (but only their Flora Free doesn't have the contamination warning). Tastes exactly like butter.

It doesn't taste exactly like butter
Tastes fine though!

If people are giving up milk, would they give up cheese and yogurt too?

I gave up dairy milk first (easy as have never much liked the taste). Then yoghurt (discovered Alpro Cherry Flavour). Then eggs and then cheese. So basically gave things up in the order I liked the from least to most. Went vegan in Sept and feel grand for it.

@MaxNormal Most of those things are found in milk

The acidity regulator is potassium
The calciums are both found in dairy milk
Iodised salt (iodine) is found in cows milk
Vit D2, Vit B12 and riboflavin are also found in cows milk and additional amounts are added to some, such as Big milk.

There’s no way I’d drink all this prossesed vegan crap anymore. I was so sick and vitamin deficient when I had that diet, despite popping all the pills and eating a ‘varied’ vegan diet (if there is such a thing). I think all this extra processed crap is a health disaster waiting to happen.

www.bbc.com/future/article/20190218-when-did-humans-start-drinking-cows-milk

Evolution.

*If people are giving up milk, would they give up cheese and yogurt too?

I'm not trying to goad, just wondering from a health /enviro perspective*

While some posters will say they have given those up,
milk is in so many products, like chocolate, some savoury and sweet biscuits, dips and sauces etc.

I've been a vegetarian for 30 years and was vegan for one. This extended to clothing, beauty, household cleaners etc.
But id didn't include cat food, avacadoes, figs, my leather car trim, the ants I harmed with my washing line pole, the washing up liquid my local restaurant used or the hair dye my lical salon used.

But I tried to do my bit. It's hard. Now I'm mostly dairy free but I eat milk chocolate, so no.

Only living naked on top of a mountain and drinking stream water avoids animal cruelty. And even then, can you be sure you're not trampling on bugs or drinking them?

That's the nth degree though and if eveyone did a little bitthen that helps.

If no one drank milk there would be billions fewer cows in the world. I wonder what would happen to the land they graze on. Revert to forest
If people let it, yes, trees would reclaim the pastures. Sounds wonderful to me!

I visited a very small farm (around a dozen cows) when on holiday in Bavaria last year. The cows were on the left and the calves, one of them was just 3 days old, were in pens on the right. The little calf broke my heart, how can it be okay to separate a newborn animal from its mum and keep it on its own in nearly complete isolation?
And these were farmers who prided themselves on their respect for animal welfare.
I don't read "vegan propaganda" on the Internet, visiting farms has taught me all I need to know.

Just to comment on the 'vegan propaganda' comments.

What about the 'dairy propaganda' we are fed constantly? Like the entire 'got milk' campaign, the rows and rows of cow's milk in every supermarket, the dairy cows in children's books, nursery and school trips to the farm to milk cows, formula milk, the list is endless and it starts from the moment we are born. The dairy industry pumps millions into advertising worldwide (well in the west) and the governments support them. It's so ingrained in western society that people don't even question it.

Dairy propaganda is far more inisidous and in your face than any 'vegan propaganda' I've ever seen.

Oat milk :)

Exactly Boshmama well said.

If people are giving up milk, would they give up cheese and yogurt too?

I would happy switch to soya or coconut yogurt. I don't eat much cheese but would rather have no cheese than plastic vegan cheese. And I don't eat chocolate at all.

I wouldn't be giving up eggs, but my reasons for giving up milk are skin related, not ethical.

I don't eat much cheese but would rather have no cheese than plastic vegan cheese

Saaaame. Although. I did try the free from garlic and herb spread from Sainsbobs and reluctantly must admit it's very nice. Like Boursin only with Philadelphia texture. Anyway I ate the whole tub in one day so I'm not buying it again.

My whole family are dairy free (Vegan) as I morally disagree with impregnating cows and removing the calves (either immediately or shortly after)

My whole family are dairy free (Vegan) as I morally disagree with impregnating cows and removing the calves (either immediately or shortly after)

Question: Would you be dairy free if you lived in Africa, had a small herd of cows, a bull naturally impregnates the cows, and the calves stayed with them, but are still milked for human nourishment?

It all tastes shit in coffee. I was a vegan for years and I managed to get used to soy but whenever I have it now, I can’t drink it. Oat and rice milk are horrible and nut milks curdle in coffee. I never found a brand that didn’t curdle other than Alpro.

YANBU to quit it though, do whatever suits you.

@Baaaahhhhh if I lived in those specific scenario yes I'd happily share some milk from the cow. I doubt in that scenario I would find other suitable nutritional substitutes and to not remove the calf / artificial in pregnant would go down way for my moral compass.