Flat earth- what’s your opinion??

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Just catching up on This Mornings interview with a flat earther-can’t get my head around his debate but at the same time he makes some points that sound very realistic and he seems knowledgable . But I do believe our earth is round and not flat but very open to other people’s views , so just wondered what you think Mumsnetters?? Sorry if there’s been a thread like this before....
YANBU=our earth is round
YABU= it is flat

Thelnebriati I'm terrified of dihydrogen monoxide. Apparently it's everywhere.

I heard it's in vaccines ? I hope that's a myth but if it is I'm not surprised why people are antivaxxers.

My son's school don't protect them from the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide, it's on the tables in most of the rooms. I'm that they don't limit it to the science labs.

It's not flat. Makes no sense whatsoever for it to be flat. It's round. God/heaven is more likely than the earth being flat.

People who truly believe the earth is flat are not just stupid. They’re not even simply too stupid to realise they’re stupid. No. They’re so stupid that they believe they’re cleverer than people who demonstrably know more about just about anything than they do.

I think the most obvious flaw in the flat-earth belief is sunrise/sunset and night-time.

The sun is apparently 3,000 miles above the Earth according to flat-earthers, and moves around at this height above the Earth disk.... Yet we can see it clearly going above and below the horizon!

You don't need a degree in Physics to realise that's a massive, massive problem for the flat-earth belief, or even need to trust that you aren't part of a massive conspiracy theory.

The Dunning-Kruger effect in action?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

That's all to do with the law of perspective willow!

On a serious note this is interesting.

They appear to place great store by their belief being brutally intuitive.... "It looks flat, therefore it is flat, full stop, end of...", with any attempt to rationalise ultimately brought back to this maxim.

Most people grow out of that way of looking at the world when they're 3 or 4.
For instance, they realise that when they put their hands in front of their eyes that "I can't see anyone, therefore no one can see me" is rubbish. Flat-earthers don't seem to have gone beyond this rudimentary developmental stage!

It's not either flat or round.
I decided it's a cube. 99% it's cube. It's my intuition.
Or possibly (1%) it's round like a ball but has a long stick going through. Scientists used to think (at about time I was in school) it's metal but now they think it's plastic. On one end of that rod is a disc. You can see some pictures if you search for 'globe'

That's all to do with the law of perspective willow!

Perspective makes things appear closer to the horizon not go beneath it!

The sun is meant to be 3,000 miles above the Earth in their theory. Even if the sun were at the most extreme position of being overhead in New Zealand (which it never is) we'd only be 12,000 miles away from it.... Simple trigonometry means the sun would be at an angle of 14 degrees to the horizon, which is higher than the sun gets at midday for most of winter!

Yeah I hear you willow.

From that video what do you see the sun doing ?

Dihydrogen monoxide is everywhere. We're practically drowning in it.

I watched the first part of the interview and had to turn it off as my head couldn't cope, I found the bloke insanely stupid and felt his entire argument was ludicrous. Please, I'm genuinely interested to know which parts you found compelling, must've been after I switched off.

It was when he replied to Holly, yes, just like the Truman Show I gave up, bonkers

I was stuck on a long drive with someone once who told me she could win any argument. Of course we had a "discussion" which was so tedious I finally had to just give up, to shut her up. I just couldn't go on. She chalked it up as another win.

Some people just think others giving up on their argument is the same thing as winning it.

@MoonlightMistletoe

I’m baffled by that video and how that relates to the sun setting. Where do I start... Firstly, no measurements are given of where the camera is in relation to the iPhone which is pretty fundamental to understanding what’s being measured. Secondly, on what grounds is it correct to assume that the refraction of the iPhone mimics atmospheric refraction at the horizon. Thirdly, a 6 foot man is walking 300 feet away.... That would be equivalent to the sun being 150,000 miles away based on the Flat Earth theory that the sun is 3,000 miles above the Earth - that’s half way to the moon! Fourthly, like the man, the sun would get smaller and smaller as it approached the horizon - it doesn’t!

Dihydrogen monoxide is everywhere. We're practically drowning in it.

Indeed. AIBU to complain because some very cold dihydrogen monoxide was found in my dram of whisky last night?

Water contains diamagnetic properties, the electromagnetic energy of the moon and sun create the tides.

Diamagnetic materials, like water, or water-based materials, have a relative magnetic permeability that is less than or equal to 1, and therefore a magnetic susceptibility less than or equal to 0, since susceptibility is defined as χv = μv − 1. This means that diamagnetic materials are repelled by magnetic fields. However, since diamagnetism is such a weak property, its effects are not observable in everyday life.

@Willowashen I complete agree. That's why I asked because I couldn't really understand what I was supposed to be "seeing".

I watched Behind The Curve on Netflix. I felt sorry for them as it was obvious from what they themselves said, that they were somewhat "loners" from society and being Flat Earthers gave them a sense of Belonging - until they said that their aim was to have FE belief taught in schools rather than conventional science (denying "SolCentric")

At that point I thought No. Believe whatever you want, but you don't get to indoctrinate children. That is all kinds of "Handmaids Tale".

Science constantly tests theories, and demonstrably is constantly refined and sometimes entirely changed. The film clearly showed that FE Societies are only interested in believing that the Earth is flat. They discount all the evidence (even their own experiments) that demonstrate otherwise. They will never, ever, produce any evidence to support FE. They will never mount an expedition (under non FE scrutiny of course) to find The Edge. Because it isn't flat.And I very much suspect that the leading figures know it, but are making a whole lot of money from the gullible.

I was just looking on the WHO website regarding the Coronavirus and noticed the logo. How ironic indeed.
(Before anyone says it's just because they chose the flat projection etc I know I just still think it's odd to not choose the correct earth form!)
It's stuff like this what doesn't help

The sun is meant to be 3,000 miles above the Earth in their theory. Even if the sun were at the most extreme position of being overhead in New Zealand (which it never is) we'd only be 12,000 miles away from it.

How close is that new Sun solar orbiter going to the Sun?, a few million miles wasnt it so it dosn't burn up;?

Dihydrogen monoxide is everywhere. We're practically drowning in it.

Some years ago I had a young jurnolist right out of training beliving me on that it almost went to press this nasty stuff;!

BMW5, thanks for the tip about Behind the Curve; I hadn't heard of it but will watch it.

www.netflix.com/gb/title/81015076