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Didn't pay the bill

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ffsimstupid · 09/02/2020 09:12

Stupidly went out with a bunch of 'friends' last night for drinks and food. They decided they weren't going to pay because they 'get away with it all the time' and essentially we're going to leave me with the bill because I was protesting. Long story short ended up follow them out ( I know so stupid). I'm the goody two shoes of the group because of my guilty conscience and as I suspect this morning I feel awful. I really want to ring the restaurant and let them know the situation and pay when they open but I'm scared this is the wrong thing to do and can land me in big trouble.

Please try not to flame me I know full well I was in the wrong and I want to fix this, please advise me what you would do.

OP posts:
ChazP · 09/02/2020 12:15

Well done. Doing the right thing after you’ve done something stupid isn’t easy.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 09/02/2020 12:16

"Oh, we get away with it all the time" sounds like such a cool, fun, relaxed way to live your life.
"Yes, we're thieves - career criminals, no less" not quite so much.
However, the stark difference between these two is.........

I also think it's disgusting that waitresses and waiters are expected to act as security and make good on thefts. The 'justification' might be that they need to be on their guard and 'make sure' that people pay. That's all well and good in the case of forgetful people, or even chancers who are trying their luck but mumble embarrassed excuses and pay up immediately when challenged. But what happens with the determined thieves (like OP's ex-friends), who have no intention of paying, might get aggressive and could even have a weapon? 12 members of the local rugby team who have decided that they are not going to pay and tell the petite 18yo uni student waitress this in no uncertain terms, maybe telling her they know her and where she lives - and she just has to lump it and is forced to subsidise these criminals?

I wonder how people who do this would feel if their boss just told them on payday that they weren't going to be paid for the last week of the month. No problem with their work at all, the boss just thinks s/he might be able to get away with it, as it sometimes works if you tough it out. How well would that go down?

Incidentally, I don't consider the serial complainers any different at all from the runners. There's nothing wrong at all with raising genuine concerns about your meal early on and seeking to get it rectified; but we all know the sort who plan from the very start that they'll go for a lovely meal, enjoy eating the whole lot and then come out with any number of excuses and refuse to pay.

My FIL used to know a couple like this who invested in a video camera (back when they were still very expensive) for the sole purpose of taking it on holiday, recording footage to apparently show their accommodation in a very poor light (whether made to look far worse than it was or completely concocted e.g. collecting cockroaches when out in the wild and then filming them in the kitchen) and then using it as 'proof' to get their money back. Unlike most decent (or extremely rich) people, they just booked whatever holiday they wanted, with no regard to the cost of it, as they knew from the very start that they wouldn't be paying for it.

I'd consider it an expensive but ultimately worthwhile lesson on what these people are really like and that they are not to be trusted. As a PP said, if that's their normal MO for life, don't think you'll be immune if ever they end up owing you money and just deciding not to pay you. In fact, I'd say they're much more likely to try to steal from somebody they perceive as less of a threat. If you stick around with them, it won't be long before they pull you straight down with them - and if you dare to protest, you become the bad guy. People like this are just vexatious to the soul.

DD is a waitress.

She’s had this happen countless times and she says it’s not just the loss of money. It’s the fact that people have cooked their food, served them, waited on their table, made polite conversation, and then it all gets shoved back in their face because the customers are immature selfish twats who have no consideration for anyone but themselves.

Yes, this exactly. You've invested in forming a nice working relationship in good faith and worked hard to serve and please them, so that they can have a wonderful evening. Then, in return, they treat you like a non-human commodity, your time, efforts and feelings worth absolutely nothing to them. It's a very nasty con trick. It's not like just grabbing a laptop in Currys and running out with it (not that that is in any way the right thing to do either).

cstaff · 09/02/2020 12:18

Well done OP. I would be interested to see how your friends react to you paying their bill i.e. will that guilt trip them into paying you back. After the stunt they pulled, I wouldn't be too sure tbh. I hope you get it all back.

Lailaha · 09/02/2020 12:19

As far as your "friends" are concerned, I think it's well overdue for you to grow a backbone OP. By telling the restaurant that you all "forgot", or whatever other lie you told, they may not end up banning your repeat offender "friends", which would be a shame: no one deserves thieves - especially habitual ones - as customers.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 09/02/2020 12:19

By the way, well done, OP, for doing the right thing. No flaming from me. It's easy to panic and get swept along with things like this. Good on you for standing your ground and making good straightaway afterwards instead of accepting it and inevitably soon finding yourself as hardened (and criminal) as them. Just don't let them drag you down, as you'll never manage to drag them up.

letmebefrank · 09/02/2020 12:21

I wouldn't pay for them. I'd go in and pay for the things you had with a generous tip, and then i'd give them all the cheeky fuckers' names and contact details to them. Let them explain themselves to the restaurant or the police, the thieving arseholes.

Jessie9323 · 09/02/2020 12:23

Well done original poster. It shows more about your character that you wanted to right a wrong. We all make mistakes whether big or small. What matters is having the resolve to do something about them.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 09/02/2020 12:24

Well done OP. I would be interested to see how your friends react to you paying their bill i.e. will that guilt trip them into paying you back.

Sadly, they won't at all - they'll just think that the OP is a stupid, uptight do-gooder and more fool her if her ridiculous morals end up costing her money. Very few CFs will ever think that they are the unreasonable ones - it's just everybody else who enable them who are the crazies.

IJustCantDeal · 09/02/2020 12:24

You may be paying it now, but if it was taken out of tips/wages last night the owner might still under pay the staff. I really hope you don’t go out with those women again. It’s unlikely if they wouldn’t pay the restaurant that they’re gonna pay you so you may have to suck this up

ffsimstupid · 09/02/2020 12:25

@Lailaha
I didn't lie I told the truth, told them I was really sorry and I wanted to rectify it. They sounded shocked that I had rang in.

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll
Thanks, you are right but I'm trying not to hold the blame over them none us stayed and all of us could have. In the future I know to always stick to my morals

OP posts:
NoSauce · 09/02/2020 12:27

What did you say?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 09/02/2020 12:27

I'm the goody two shoes of the group because of my guilty conscience

Actually you sound like a rare decent member of the group because you've at least GOT a conscience. The rest - or at least their behaviours - sound like trash

You might want to consider that some will almost certainly sneer at you behind your back for your honesty, or target you as "the mug" in future ... and then think whether you really want to associate with people like this again

AutumnRose1 · 09/02/2020 12:29

Agree with a pp saying the others are trash

That in turn makes me think the OP might fear repercussions from them.

LonginesPrime · 09/02/2020 12:32

maybe not good citizens but they usually aren't bad friends until last night

As in they treat strangers terribly but are usually nice to you?

It sounds like you've been happy to condone their awful behaviour as long as it doesn't adversely affect you. Which is why you're in this predicament.

ssd · 09/02/2020 12:33

When I waitresses, if this happened and you let a table leave without them paying it came out your wages. So effectively your so called friends and you have shit on someone earning peanuts anyway. Who might be a student, or someone working a second job at night to make ends meet.
Hope you are all proud of yourselves. And you calling up and paying your share doesn't make you guilt free either.

KangapooandRoo · 09/02/2020 12:33

OP well done, you will sleep better.
I wouldn't bother with an elaborate story. Hold your head up high, reading the posts from other people 'forgetting, to pay is not uncommon.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 09/02/2020 12:36

Thanks, you are right but I'm trying not to hold the blame over them none us stayed and all of us could have. In the future I know to always stick to my morals

True, but, until they suggested it (and they were in the majority of the people there), it hadn't entered into YOUR head for a moment to do a runner. Meanwhile, THEIR plan all along was to do it.

They have seared consciences that no longer function properly; make sure you protect your honest one (as you clearly are doing, having accepted you made a mistake under pressure).

LonginesPrime · 09/02/2020 12:36

they thanked me for honesty but said I'd need to come in

This reminds me of that news article about the shopkeeper who was robbed and told the robbers to come back at 5pm when the till would be full, They turned up at 5pm as requested and the shopkeeper had called the police. Obviously.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 09/02/2020 12:36

Sadly, they won't (feel guilty and pay her) at all - they'll just think that the OP is a stupid, uptight do-gooder and more fool her if her ridiculous morals end up costing her money

Indeed Sad We see it on here all the time, when someone posts a "what would you do?" thing and folk enjoy the anonymity of sneering at the "holier than thou brigade"

The real irony is that it's not even others' loss we have to live with ... it's ourselves, and some of us feel we've got enough faults as it is without adding to them by becoming a thief

Alaimo · 09/02/2020 12:37

I've had this happen to me once as a waitress. Luckily the restaurant absorbed the loss rather than reducing staff pay, but I still remember it, 10-15 years after it happened. As a PP said, as a waitress I felt betrayed that I had gone through the effort of trying to ensure this couple had a nice night only for them to do a runner. Plus, as a relatively new member of staff on a zero hour contract I was concerned it would reflect badly on me and that if it were to happen again I might have my hours cut.

Well done OP for going back, I hope the staff/owner appreciated your change of heart.

Wereallsquare · 09/02/2020 12:40

maybe not good citizens but they usually aren't bad friends until last night

I don't mean to harp, but because of what I went through with my friend, I can see that you are making excuses for people without a conscience. Why are you the only one worried this morning about STEALING from a restaurant? You are who you associate with. Don't waste your time with these losers. You can find real friends and you really are better than they are.

bugbhaer · 09/02/2020 12:41

@bugbhaer really? You've never worked somewhere where your tips are used to cover walkouts? I've never worked for an small independent restaurant, only national chains (large hotel chains and multiple bars like Tiger Tiger) and every single one take the tips to cover walkouts

Really. It sounds like working for independent businesses is the thing that makes the difference?

Sorry but some people on here must be fibbing. If there are 2-4 walkouts per month in every restaurant in the country then some of you must have either done it or know someone who has

I'm not sure where you're getting your maths from Confused

RositaEspinosa · 09/02/2020 12:43

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Oxfordnono12 · 09/02/2020 12:43

For a start, I would appreciate you as a friend! You are loyal and moral. I would feel safe in the fact you are a good person.

Your "friends" are horrid. An this shows how good of people they really are.
This place (they run out of) is someone's family member, this a passionate business that I would say has been built from dreams, grew with love and stress. I'm sure it didn't pay for itself. Disgusting that your "friends" would do that on someone!

You need new friends. Place ring the owners and explain.

SunshineAngel · 09/02/2020 12:43

If it was me, I'd say sorry, the same person normally pays the bill and you all pay them back afterwards - you assumed she had, but she hadn't, so you would like to pay your share now.

You don't have to pay for anyone else's. It's up to them and their conscience whether they do that or not.

However, never go out with them again.

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