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AIBU Financial Irresponsibility

86 replies

muminlondon2020 · 05/02/2020 15:15

Im really struggling with my relationship and would appreciate some advice. Met DP 2.5 years ago online (me 45, him 49), lots in common, huge attraction and a real whirlwind romance. After a horrible drawn out divorce it was a magical feeling to be happy. The first year was amazing and I truly thought it was forever. He met my tweens after about 6mths they get on really well and he started staying over a lot. After several months of being at my place pretty much all the time, I asked him to make a financial contribution to cover what he was costing me in food and utilities. He did not respond to this as positively as I had expected, had a bit of a tantrum & said he had to pay for his place so it wasn’t fair to ask him to pay twice. I insisted as feeding him was expensive and he has a good job and earns about £50k so I felt it was not fair for me to be out of pocket, we both earn about the same but I have 2 kids to support (I have a small mortgage free terrace house). He eventually agreed on £300/mth, which considering I was paying for his food, alcohol, toiletries, water, elec was fair. Also I didn’t want him to formally move in & rent his place out as I wasn’t ready for that then and I don’t think he was either. Anyway more information started to come out, he has over £20k worth of credit card debts and overdraft, living month to month, spending more than he earns. Considering he inherited a mortgage free flat and this was purely from not living within his substantial means I was pretty unimpressed. He does buy me expensive gifts, although I have asked him not to, and he spent so much on my birthday gift he told me he couldn’t pay the £300 that month. It’s been rocky for a year now, he’s in more debt and I ended up having pay for our last holiday with no contribution from him. He currently owes me £2k for his share of our next holiday which he agreed to and I paid up front, but has never discussed paying me back. I have to chase him every month to get the food money and its uncomfortable for me. He doesn’t help with any cleaning or cooking other than clear up after dinner, unload dishwasher, a weekend breakfast and the odd bit of diy. By now I would have been thinking about more formal living together but I am scared by his irresponsibility and lack of reciprocity. So instead over Xmas I asked him to stay at his a couple of nights a week which he argued about but I did not back down. I got angry & withdrawn at the beginning of the month (as no £ was mentioned and I felt sick that I was going to have to raise it again) so he stormed out and is now sulking at his. The relationship is great other than this, but this is souring everything for me especially as he seems to be making no effort to make any changes. I know he blames our problems on my moodiness but does not seem to connect this with any of the above. I do struggle to talk about these issues with him as I am very fearful due to my previous abusive relationship but also how he has reacted in the past. I dont want to end what was such an amazing happy relationship and hurt my kids in the process, but I’m also frightened to stay in it and be used and dragged down by this irresponsibility. Or am I being unreasonable and unnecessarily worried (which is what he thinks)?

OP posts:
Poppyfieldsummerdays · 05/02/2020 21:43

Your long term future is bleak. Financial compatibility is the backbone of a good survivable relationship.

Trahira · 05/02/2020 21:46

You cook him lovely meals every night and he doesn't help with the cooking OR cleaning OR pay for it? Sorry OP but you're being a mug here Sad He may buy you expensive gifts (effectively with your own money, if he then uses it as an excuse not to pay you that month) but on a day to day basis you are out of pocket so that he can fritter money away on flashy cars. That's not fair on you or your DC. He's coming across as a spoilt, shallow, selfish person.

JKScot4 · 05/02/2020 21:48

You’re still dithering about him moving in?!?!
Jesus woman, GET RID!!!

Trahira · 05/02/2020 21:52

OP, I can see this is really sad for you as you thought he was the one. But now the honeymoon period is over, he's not the man for you.

Couch25k · 05/02/2020 21:54

Run, run for the hills!

Poppyfieldsummerdays · 05/02/2020 21:55

What does your balance sheet of love look like to date. I would guess that on a month to month basis the debt is increasing as the slimy leech gets its hooks into you. It is like blackmail increasing as he keeps coming back for more. Eventually he will move onto the next target.

cstaff · 05/02/2020 22:01

What @messolini9 said. As usual she is bang on the money (pardon the pun). Seriously though OP, 2k is a cheap price to pay compared to the damage he could do, both to your head and your wallet. The lights are flashing.

messolini9 · 05/02/2020 22:08

I just feel so sad and wish I could fix it, fix him
This a very common reaction from women, to abusive practices from their romantic partner.
You can't fix it any more than you can fix a drunk, a gambler, a womaniser, a druggie or a wife-beater.
Only he can fix it, & he doesn't want to. He thinks there's nothing wrong with him.

If he’d done anything about the debts I’d feel more confident, I suggested get a lodger, consolation loan, air bnb I suggested all of it, but hes done nothing now for a year and I don’t want to nag.
All he wants is for you to agree with him, minimise & swallow your own distress, & continue cocklodging with you because it suits him.
That is not love, or care, or sharing problems.
That is - just like when he bought you an expensive present despite your stated requirement that he should not, while simultaneously refusing to pay his agreed contribution that month - telling you that he will do things HIS way & YOUR way is to be dismissed.

We would have properly moved in together by now except I’m scared that’s just going to make it worse, or will it make it better?
Worse.
Abusers (& controllers, which I am starting to suspect he is) ramp up their abuses with every stage of the relationship. As soon as you moved in with him, he would escalate his spending & expect you not only to go along with him, but to subsidise him into further spending debt until you also are financially crippled.

to end love over money seems wrong but it’s happening anyway I can’t help it ...
Are you SURE this was love OP?
Re-read PP's above.
How about your last relationship - A horrible drawn out divorce sounds like there was maybe foul play by your Ex too. How much time did you have to 'debrief' after that, what support & counselling have you had, & do you feel you may be playing out an unresolved pattern of accomodating men who are not acting in your best interests?

I suspect this is not love, but may be a reaction to some old wound.
Possibly a trauma bond.
Particularly given the huge attraction & real whirlwind romance. Do you now feel that could have been Love Bombing by a serial financial abuser keen to find a new willing source of comfort & easy home life at your expense?

Remember - it's never, at base, about the money.
It's about what the money represents (power), & making sure you continue to dance to his tune.
Surprise him - stop dancing.

Do as PP suggested upthread - suggest he forgets about the £300, moves back to his (to switch on his own heating for a change, ha! - except don't say that bit), comes over a couple of times a week.
Won't it be interesting to see how he reacts? Or even, if he accepts it, if he brings - i.e. doesn't expect you to pay for - his own booze.
Or offers to pay back some or all of your £2k.

But I also suspect, indeed sincerely hope, that even that would be too little, too late, for you. Here is a link to the incomparable Lundy Bancroft, on financial abuse - (this can be either witholding money from a partner, or exploiting them for money) www.facebook.com/LundyBancroft/posts/friends-this-conversation-is-crucial-in-our-efforts-to-protect-and-assist-abused/10153978715993838/

& here he is again, for you to slowly read & assimilate what might have been the dynamic of your previous relationship ... & what you may have unwittingly carried over into this one - www.docdroid.net/py03/why-does-he-do-that.pdf

Flowers It'sa lot to take on board OP, & well done for not burying your head in the sand.

MargotLargot · 05/02/2020 22:24

He saw you coming, OP. He’s making an utter fool of you.

It sounds like you’ve been through a lot to keep you and your kids housed and in a stable place. Why would you risk financial insecurity for you and your children for this guy?

Whynosnowyet · 05/02/2020 22:38

Please see he is using you op.
Even my teen ds paid board every week without fail.

Savingshoes · 05/02/2020 22:41

You have managed to meet a manchild. Send him back to his parents for more training and do not contact him until he reimburses you.
Visit at his home if you get reimbursed.

DrManhattan · 05/02/2020 22:41

Get rid

messolini9 · 05/02/2020 22:42

@cstaff - you sweet rascal. Thank you Blush Wine

CrimsonCattery · 05/02/2020 22:45

This is the testing phase for full on financial abuse. Its not even only the overspending. He can't be arsed to consolidate the debt and save on interest? What a manchild.

muminlondon2020 · 06/02/2020 06:12

Thanks messolini9 your post gave me a chill. There have been other things where I’ve been shocked & then had cognitive dissonance thinking he didn’t really say that, I must have misheard or misunderstood. I guess when it boils down it’s not about the money it’s about trust, honesty, responsibility, reliability. Which are the foundations of a relationship. I have felt at times like I’m in a dream state where I don’t know what’s what, that the actions and the words don’t match. And I think that’s a very bad sign.

OP posts:
Trahira · 06/02/2020 06:21

OP, would you like to tell us about some of the things you thought you must have misheard? Only if you want to. It may help you to see it written down.

muminlondon2020 · 06/02/2020 06:24

“ playing out an unresolved pattern of accomodating men who are not acting in your best interests“

I think there might be great truth in this. I have absolutely no idea how to stop doing it, although I do know I was basically trained as a child to be like this. Anyway thank you all wonderful women for your time & advice. I’ve never posted for help before and I’m so glad I did xx

OP posts:
KC225 · 06/02/2020 06:34

He sounds 19 not 49.

You have been through a marriage breakdown and quite rightly you are on the look out for red flags. This is a huge deal OP - you know it's not going to work.

NewPapaGuinea · 06/02/2020 06:44

You can do, and deserve, better.

Rainbowqueeen · 06/02/2020 06:54

Financial incompatibility is the most common reason for relationship breakdown. It is so so important.

Please ditch him now. Yes it will hurt but being with him right now hurts doesn’t it??
He is taking money from your children. Don’t you think they deserve better?? Think about what you could do with them for the money you are spending on this guy

Trahira · 06/02/2020 07:16

I have absolutely no idea how to stop doing it - the first step is to take back control. Stop enabling his infantile, irresponsible behaviour. Finish this relationship. Explain to your DD (if you have one) why you did so. Fake it until you make it - model the kind of behaviour you know this man deserves (even if this doesn't come easily for you).

MushroomTree · 06/02/2020 07:20

So he moved in by stealth, doesn't do anything around the house, doesn't contribute financially, owes you a significant amount of money and clearly has no intention of paying, and has substantial debts due to continued financial irresponsibility?

I'm afraid I'm failing to see what's so amazing about this relationship or why you'd want to model this kind of relationship dynamic as something your children should aspire to.

EnterFunnyNameHere · 06/02/2020 07:43

"I am very fearful due to my previous abusive relationship but also how he has reacted in the past "

OP, this bit of your post is justification to bin him off and not look back. No one should be in a relationship with someone who makes them fearful Sad

And that's before the financial clock lodger behaviours!

catsmother · 06/02/2020 07:51

He comes across as someone with an entitlement to the 'finer' things in life and that attitude takes priority over everything else, such as budgeting, honesty and fairness to you. He doesn't care how he gets the lifestyle he believes he deserves just so long as one way or another he gets it..... whether via credit cards or by fleecing you. I can well imagine that someone like that who likes plentiful, good quality food and 'nice' toiletries (I wonder, is he the type to turn his nose up at cheaper brands?) could easily cost £300 a month and that's before the hidden costs too.

I can only add to the chorus of get rid and cut your losses with regards to the money he owes you. In your heart of hearts you know it's unlikely he'll repay you and all the while you hang on hoping he will, he's costing you more in the meantime. It's clear he resents paying you at all - hence your birthday gift effectively being something you paid for yourself. That's really quite extraordinary because it has ended up costing you as you still have to buy his food etc that month. I suspect that show of largesse was probably put on a credit card too in any case. I'm sure you realise that mature adults budget for birthdays and certainly don't do anything which leaves the recipient out of pocket.

The way to look at this is that every time you've subsidised him that's xxx pounds you could have spent on your children. Or put in savings for them. Surely they are more deserving of that money than he is?

AhNowTed · 06/02/2020 08:41

There is something wrong with a man who will sit there for months eating your food, drinking your wine, running up your bills, and it doesn't occur to him to put his hand in his pocket. And then when asked, has the gall to flounce.