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AIBU Financial Irresponsibility

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muminlondon2020 · 05/02/2020 15:15

Im really struggling with my relationship and would appreciate some advice. Met DP 2.5 years ago online (me 45, him 49), lots in common, huge attraction and a real whirlwind romance. After a horrible drawn out divorce it was a magical feeling to be happy. The first year was amazing and I truly thought it was forever. He met my tweens after about 6mths they get on really well and he started staying over a lot. After several months of being at my place pretty much all the time, I asked him to make a financial contribution to cover what he was costing me in food and utilities. He did not respond to this as positively as I had expected, had a bit of a tantrum & said he had to pay for his place so it wasn’t fair to ask him to pay twice. I insisted as feeding him was expensive and he has a good job and earns about £50k so I felt it was not fair for me to be out of pocket, we both earn about the same but I have 2 kids to support (I have a small mortgage free terrace house). He eventually agreed on £300/mth, which considering I was paying for his food, alcohol, toiletries, water, elec was fair. Also I didn’t want him to formally move in & rent his place out as I wasn’t ready for that then and I don’t think he was either. Anyway more information started to come out, he has over £20k worth of credit card debts and overdraft, living month to month, spending more than he earns. Considering he inherited a mortgage free flat and this was purely from not living within his substantial means I was pretty unimpressed. He does buy me expensive gifts, although I have asked him not to, and he spent so much on my birthday gift he told me he couldn’t pay the £300 that month. It’s been rocky for a year now, he’s in more debt and I ended up having pay for our last holiday with no contribution from him. He currently owes me £2k for his share of our next holiday which he agreed to and I paid up front, but has never discussed paying me back. I have to chase him every month to get the food money and its uncomfortable for me. He doesn’t help with any cleaning or cooking other than clear up after dinner, unload dishwasher, a weekend breakfast and the odd bit of diy. By now I would have been thinking about more formal living together but I am scared by his irresponsibility and lack of reciprocity. So instead over Xmas I asked him to stay at his a couple of nights a week which he argued about but I did not back down. I got angry & withdrawn at the beginning of the month (as no £ was mentioned and I felt sick that I was going to have to raise it again) so he stormed out and is now sulking at his. The relationship is great other than this, but this is souring everything for me especially as he seems to be making no effort to make any changes. I know he blames our problems on my moodiness but does not seem to connect this with any of the above. I do struggle to talk about these issues with him as I am very fearful due to my previous abusive relationship but also how he has reacted in the past. I dont want to end what was such an amazing happy relationship and hurt my kids in the process, but I’m also frightened to stay in it and be used and dragged down by this irresponsibility. Or am I being unreasonable and unnecessarily worried (which is what he thinks)?

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Celeriacacaca · 05/02/2020 17:50

It's not you OP, it's him. Don't doubt yourself. I wouldn't put up with it for a minute longer.

SherlocksDeerstalker · 05/02/2020 17:56

Ooffff how horribly unattractive. You can’t actually fancy this man, can you?!

muminlondon2020 · 05/02/2020 18:17

Thanks everyone I thought you’d not be impressed but didn’t expect everyone would agree it was not on. He says he has a mortgage free flat (£300k) so why am I worried about a little cc debt (20k+). But I haven’t had Cc debt since my 20s and had to work my ass off to get out of it, and I think paying interest is crazy unless necessary. The money goes on his sports car, London lunches & restaurants, flash clothes & gifts I think. I just feel so sad and wish I could fix it, fix him, to end love over money seems wrong but it’s happening anyway I can’t help it ...

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Happygirl79 · 05/02/2020 18:22

This is not a relationship
This is you being used!

MissConductUS · 05/02/2020 18:25

So he drives a flash sports car but can't contribute for food. His cocklodging will poison any love you have for him, if it hasn't already. He's addicted to luxury so budgets that first. This will never change, so sad as it might be, toss him back in the pool.

fromnowhere · 05/02/2020 18:34

Just chiming in to agree with pp, this is no way to live. You need to end it, your views on money are just too different and you have a responsibility to your children to not get dragged into his financial debt and messiness. Good luck, it won't be easy whatever you choose to do.

BorneoBabe · 05/02/2020 18:39

From what you've posted, it doesn't add up. He's lying about something. Gambling? Bigger debts than he's let on? Secret child maintenance payments? That would be enough for me to ditch him.

AhNowTed · 05/02/2020 18:41

So £20k debt is no problem but he's penny pinching over food Hmm

tenlittlecygnets · 05/02/2020 19:15

he spent so much on my birthday gift he told me he couldn’t pay the £300 that month ... He currently owes me £2k for his share of our next holiday ... I have to chase him every month to get the food money and its uncomfortable for me ... He doesn’t help with any cleaning or cooking other than clear up after dinner ... he stormed out and is now sulking at his.

What a cocklodger. He's using you. What exactly is great about a relationship where he doesn't pay his way, is completely financially irresponsible, is costing you money, doesn't pull his weight around the house, and sulks when you call him out on it?

Fuck that for a game of soldiers!

And he's 49. He will never change.

I just feel so sad and wish I could fix it, fix him. To end love over money seems wrong but it’s happening anyway

You can't fix him. Only he can do that.

How people handle money is really important. Money is one of the most common things couples argue over! He has plenty of money to do what HE wants with, but he's happy to sponge off you? No way.

BigPinkFlower · 05/02/2020 19:21

£300 for a place he doesn't live is ridiculous.

The extra electricity etc is tiny.
He can't cost you £300 in food.

Have you lost a council tax single discount? If he has another house I suspect not.

AhNowTed · 05/02/2020 19:25

@BigPinkFlower he is living there and she is paying for everything. He's living at her house all expenses paid for less than £10 a day. Which he resents and reneges on.

JontyDoggle37 · 05/02/2020 19:32

That there is a genuine cocklodger. Dislodge him quick and kick him out - you need someone who contributes, isn’t unreliable or untrustable and is good with money. This guy is heartbreak territory.

Blacksackunderthetreesfreeze · 05/02/2020 19:37

Get rid immediately!

How horrible he sounds. Penny pinching over what he owes you, expecting to live for free and without lifting a finger.

This can only get worse, and at your children’s expense.

At the very least, tell him you don’t want him to live there, but to come over occasionally as a guest - twice a week or less -, and have date nights, days out etc. That he primarily had to live at his, and that when he does come he has to bring food etc with him.

His reaction should tell you what you need to know!

Stephminx · 05/02/2020 19:38

It doesn’t sound like a happy relationship at all from your post. You may need to write off the money he owes but I don’t see why you’d want to continue this relationship.

However, I do agree with @BigPinkFlower. If you don’t live together, why should he pay you ? It benefits him as much as you to be at yours I’m guessing - I suspect you spend the time at yours because it’s easier for you / your child ?

If you don’t like him there as much, don’t invite him but the extra utilities etc is minimal. If you’re feeding him a lot / most days I’d maybe be splitting food costs (although you’d be paying for two and him one), but not other costs.

If you want him there all the time, move in together. If not, divide your time equally between houses.

wizzler · 05/02/2020 19:39

I couldn't live with that level of financial recklessness.

Trahira · 05/02/2020 19:45

This would be a deal breaker for me OP. I would be unable to respect someone who was in massive debt despite earning a good salary and having no mortgage / rent or kids to pay for. Then expecting you to pay for all his food and drink and throwing a tantrum when you asked him to contribute - very unattractive indeed.

ChrissieKeller61 · 05/02/2020 19:50

He is giving you 10% of his monthly income - when he pays - where is the other 90% going ?

muminlondon2020 · 05/02/2020 20:42

He’s def costing me the £300 each month, if not more. A couple of alcohol drinks most nights, dinner with meat & fresh veg of which he eats the most, ice creams & pudding every night, nice shampoos & soaps, tonnes of loo paper & toothpaste, long showers & baths, food all weekend, I pay for all of it. His place is cold cause he doesn’t want to pay heating when not there & too small for kids. We would have properly moved in together by now except I’m scared that’s just going to make it worse, or will it make it better? If he’d done anything about the debts I’d feel more confident, I suggested get a lodger, consolation loan, air bnb I suggested all of it, but hes done nothing now for a year and I don’t want to nag.

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Ladyratterley · 05/02/2020 20:48

I couldn’t live with that. I earn the same as him in London. If he’s mortgage free a wage of around 50k should be more than enough to get by without racking up debts of 20k.
His irresponsible attitude to money is worrying.
Don’t move him in. Get rid.

AhNowTed · 05/02/2020 21:22

It's not so much the debt that bothers me.

It's that he's quite happy to literally live off you and take the absolute piss.

He is in effect taking money off your children.

Has he no shame or self respect.

MargotMoon · 05/02/2020 21:22

Get fucking rid

Jess827 · 05/02/2020 21:30

Jesus op you come across as level headed & sensible, you're doing so well but he's dragging you down. Stop subsidising him and wasting your energy, he is NEVER going to change.

Ffs I can't believe he's done such a mind fuck on you that he's convinced you being financially responsible & not being in debt & paying your own way etc is "nagging"

This time next year when he's long gone, hopefully, you're going to wonder why you let him take you for a ride like this!!!

JaceLancs · 05/02/2020 21:30

I wish I’d bailed out when ex DP owed me 2-3k
Things didn’t improve - it eventually ended up costing me over 80k (long story) I will never live with or share finances ever again
Run for the hills

messolini9 · 05/02/2020 21:35

It's not just financial incompatability OP.

He does buy me expensive gifts, although I have asked him not to, and he spent so much on my birthday gift he told me he couldn’t pay the £300 that month.

That - right there - is the small kernel that will grow into full-blown financial abuse.

He has just told you that YOU don't get to make the financial decisions - he does. And you can well imagine how that will go, can't you?

The jammy sod inherited a whole flat, earns a bloody good whack; is still in debt; expected you - comparatively way worse off - to fund his cocklodging; grudgingly agreed to cover his extra monthly cost to you only to renege; & now displays grumpiness to avoid being challenged for his agreed monthly contribution.

He will now weaponise the £2k holiday cash he owes you.
Be prepared for some highly charged leverage about what he can/can't afford, because you MADE him pay his own share of the monthly living costs.
Be prepared to be guilted, sulked at, bought more expensive crap you don't want, told your reaction to his financial fuckwittery is moody, & persuaded to believe that you are unreasonable and unnecessarily worried.

He's either a spoiled bastard (that flat's a clue, huh?) who has never been made to account for his incompetence by his family, or he got to his current level of money mismanagement all on his own.
What a prince.

Either way, it's going to cause you as much heartache & misery as if he were a gambler or alcoholic. He is positioning you to take responsibility for his own twattery. You may need to write your £2k off (or get a chum to come with you instead if possible) - but I assure you, that's going to be cheaper than another 2.5 years with him.
Don't apply the Sunken Costs Fallacy to this jerk - he's no better than a thief. Take it from one who knows, Muminlondon. Get him out before he shows you his REALLY nasty side.

WeSavedSallySally · 05/02/2020 21:35

Holidays are a luxury, paying 2 grand when he can afford it or pay you back..

There's more than debt op, this isn't the whole story and he's a liar... Not good enough.