To ask Leavers 2 things (Brexit related, TW for racism)

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1. How do you feel when you see that image?

As someone on the Left and Remain brigades, I've never had an experience where something I have voted for or believe in politically speaking has been grossly misappropriated by a sizeable number of those who feel the same way. One might argue that those who "punch Nazis" might meet this category but I don't think so. With them, their choice of action is where I would disagree but I mostly agree with their politics and most of their social beliefs. So my 2nd question is about that. Can you think of any examples where something like this has happened?

@maxnormal nice try. EU membership demands free movement for their (prodominantly white) members.

Supporting a system with that criteria and the accompanying level of migration, directly means that immigration for other countries (black & brown) would remain limited. It doesnt give room or allow for a fairer system. That level of inequality is systemic racism, it doesnt offer the same opportunities to black and asian countries.

Ignore it if you please, just makes you and the other remoaners part of the problem.

It is awful thankfully it seems to be a minority though it is only the start for that minority to spread racism, it is almost like it is allowed now Brexit went through.

Meanwhile spotted in Ireland.

I think that you, I and everyone else here, regardless of voting to leave or remain, agrees that things like that poster are abhorrent and have no place in society.

Let's not pretend that poster was put there by someone within the tiniest amount of intelligence.

Yes YABU for not putting it on the BREXIT Board

As PPs have said though I think it was posted to goad and AIBU has huge traffic .

EU membership demands free movement for their (prodominantly white) members

...still open to all eu citizens regardless of colour religion etc.

Supporting a system with that criteria and the accompanying level of migration, directly means that immigration for other countries (black & brown) would remain limited. It doesnt give room or allow for a fairer system. That level of inequality is systemic racism, it doesnt offer the same opportunities to black and asian countries

Brexit won't offer a more relaxed attitude to black or asian countries, so will not extend any advantage, our immigration policy will become harsher to all.

Using a phrase like "Remoaners" makes you look silly now, we lost, brexit has happened and there is no turning back, so try convincing ex remainers the advantages and perhaps we will all get behind this new independent UK ?

@scaryteacher, I did bother to read your post, there is no need to be passive-aggressive. However, that poster is not trying to promote English as a means of unifying the nation and it is disingenuous to claim it is.

I don't think the majority of leavers voted because they are overtly racist. I think the effect it would have on racism wasn't considered because racism isn't high on people's agenda.

I actually voted tactically this time. I normally vote Labour but I'm not a party member. My goal was to get the Tories out this time around.

So you lost the referendum and lost the election. Not going too well for you is it.

I think you know that 99% of Leavers would have nothing to do with that poster and I think you're being goady.

By the way, you're no longer a Remainer - Leavers are now Remainers - ie wanting to remain outside the EU

1) How do you feel when you see that image?

That someone posted it as a wind up.

Leavers are now Remainers

Newspeak ? Or are you on glue ?

@silverysurfer

I'm a white, educated, middle classed, cisgender, heterosexual male... life has pretty much always gone well for me.

Its actually people who are only a few or none of those descriptors that I am worried for given the political situation. My inheritance will likely increase under a Tory Government as long as my parents do not require extensive social support before they die. I should be the least of anyone's worries when it comes to the election results.

It may well have been written by someone wishing to cause trouble and as some kind of revenge towards Brexit voters.

Another update:

www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/heart-shaped-messages-at-winchester-tower-1-6495578

why is one example of not learning to speak the language of the country you live in ok but the other looked down upon

Thats not what the OP is saying

The poster isn’t about learning the language which has been pointed out before

Could have been posted by a bug eyed remainer

Bit sad your dreaming about your parents dying

I'm not dreaming about anything. I'm just dispelling the notion that I'm "not doing well" due to the election results and giving you my reality. It would be extremely difficult for someone like me not to do "well". Society is set up in our favour.

It enrages me no end that this type of bullshit is used by the more extreme Remainers to justify insulting and attempting to silence 17.4 million people, who as one brain must all be nasty racists

I know that there were many reasons people voted Leave ( their view on the economy, sovereignty, political independence, corruption within the EU etc) that had nothing to do with racism.

But there are a range of industry forums that I visit (as part of my job, weirdly) where the vast majority of posters are in a constant state of outrage and hatred about migrants and cannot wait to end Free Movement, and use terrible language to talk about any immigrant or migrant worker.

If these people had not voted, where would the Leave vote have been?

Leave voters are not all racists and xenophobes. But the Leave Campaign left these people to spread rumours and froth unchallenged because it suited the Leave cause.

And without the votes of the racists and xenophobes I do not believe Leave would have won, gained that small margin.

So you may not be a racist, I have no reason to believe you are. But xenophobes were harnessed to the cause and it is on them that your victory rests.

So you may not be a racist, I have no reason to believe you are. But xenophobes were harnessed to the cause and it is on them that your victory rests.
That’s quite a statement and not one anyone is qualified to make. There was no “oh and by the way, are you a racist?” box on the ballot paper in order to check people’s motives and analyse the data later.
I’m very honoured that you agree I’m not racist though.

I'm a white, educated, middle classed, cisgender, heterosexual male... life has pretty much always gone well for me.

Its actually people who are only a few or none of those descriptors that I am worried for given the political situation. My inheritance will likely increase under a Tory Government as long as my parents do not require extensive social support before they die. I should be the least of anyone's worries when it comes to the election results.

Oh please shut up

Seems like the members here frequently try to silence people who speak to them in facts and reality. Far better to lurk in the world of optimism and delusion than have an adult conversation based on facts. Really lives up to certain stereotypes about academia.

If you want to talk about stereotypes........ you're the epitome of an entitled Remainer. Disingenuos concern for those of us who are "only a few or none of those descriptors".

Thankfully not all Remainers are like you but, unfortunately, that old tar brush affects both sides.

But there are a range of industry forums that I visit (as part of my job, weirdly) where the vast majority of posters are in a constant state of outrage and hatred about migrants and cannot wait to end Free Movement, and use terrible language to talk about any immigrant or migrant worker

If these people had not voted, where would the Leave vote have been

HillAreas As I said, the racists and xenophobes who voted leave were and are self identifying. In significant numbers. We don’t know the % of the vote that these people account for but you cannot deny that they contributed to the small margin of victory. Or that the more cynical Leave politicians quietly allowed their views to take hold.

I do not think that Leave voters are racist or any of the other slurs that have been levelled.

But I do know that very many racists and xenophobes voted Leave.

And swelled the vote.

I normally vote Labour

In that case you probably know you are a hypocrite calling all leavers racists when you are just as likely to be a raging anti-Semite if judged by your voting record.