Are naturalised Brits really perceived "British" by the native population?

[SympatheticSwan]

Not being goady (I am not British myself, and a relatively fresh immigrant).
Asking after a comment made by an acquaintance (in respect of the British nationals evacuation mission from Wuhan). This particular person is definitely racist and proud of it (I know it from our previous conversations), but it made me think and I decided to ask MN which has quite enlightened membership.
Do you consider someone who, say, spent 6 years in the UK, naturalised and then moved back to their country of origin as British as, say, someone who was born here to parents who lived all their lives here (to draw a line somewhere)? Let's say, in the narrow context of diplomatic assistance / consular protection/ emergency repatriation or rescue missions?

Of course not.

Yes, I do - they are a British citizen and therefore entitled to the same diplomatic assistance etc (as per your post) as any other British citizen.

They may be a British citizen - but they are not ‘as British’ as someone who was born and has lived here all their life.

In the narrow context you specify, they are indubitably British.

British passport holders can call on British authorities for consular assistance. That is both law and practice.

It does get a bit buggered up if they are in a country which considers them one of their own nationals and which does not recognise dual nationality. Then there is no recourse to British consular assistance as of right, though the British government might continue to make representations to the other government (such as in the case of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

I would like to think as a British citizen they would have the same rights as a 'white-home grown' citizen, but witness what happened to the British school girl who lost her child in a refugee camp because the government press decided she wasn't British enough.

No, I wouldn’t call them British and I doubt they’d want to take on that burden either!

As above said: I’d see them as a British citizen who deserves all the rights of every other British citizen.

In respect to consular assistance, rights etc., then yes, equally as British as the next.

British citizen, yes.

Native (as in born and raised), no.

That particular "schoolchild" had hooked up with terrorists. It's a bit different.

I think it depends. I think it comes down to accent, stupidly. If someone has a very obvious German accent, you think of them as German, even if they've naturalised. On the other hand, I know a couple of Scandinavians and you wouldn't know they weren't British to start with as their accents sound virtually native.

It does get a bit buggered up if they are in a country which considers them one of their own nationals and which does not recognise dual nationality.

If they're from a country that does not recognise dual citizenship, then they will have to give up citizenship of that country to acquire british citizenship, thereby not being one of the country's own any longer. To keep that citizenship means no citizenship in Britain.

Legally yes. In identity terms no and I doubt they themselves would think it the same as someone born and bred here - other than for legal purposes.

I’m British but lived abroad for many years and I would not claim to be French just because I lived there for a few years even if I’d got some documentation sorted. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t expect the French govt to abide by any obligations it might have towards me.

I'm naturalised. I don't see myself as 'as' British as someone born here.

I only became a Brit citizen after living in UK about 20 yrs.
I would expect that "in the narrow context of diplomatic assistance / consular protection/ emergency repatriation or rescue missions", I would be given same assistance as any other British passport holder.

I'm not ethnically British, though, it was a choice not a compulsion.

There's a guy at work (Brexit voter, funny that) who loudly advocates euthanasia for anyone who can't support themselves (like if they were very disabled & had no family support or independent income). I bet he doesn't consider me to be remotely British.

Thanks all. It is less about the legal side and more about what people feel. Because I agree with a PP, that in Ms Begum's case it was the press / public opinion that shaped the government reaction.
There is a spectrum of how this issue is treated, even in the developed countries. For example, my aunt is a naturalised American citizen (heavy accent etc) but has not lived in America for almost a quarter of a century. Nevertheless, she is greeted as "welcome home" on the American border every time she visits family there, and Americans abroad seem to have no second thoughts about accepting her as "one of them".
On the other end of the spectrum is, say, Ireland, where naturalised citizens, should they move away from Ireland, have to petition the government regularly (annually, I think) with reasons to continue keeping their Irish citizenship.
I am not sure myself which end of this spectrum the UK is closer to.

You have asked conflicting questions here, as 'perceieved as British' in your thread title means a totally different thing to the legal and consular involvement in british citizenship.

They are British citizens. Whether they want to be or are perceived as 'british' is totally different.

Saying 'white home grown' is disgustingly racist.

What does this even matter? The people around you whether british or not are around you and you all function together. Unless you are hinting at discrimination and racism.

@Smotheroffive
I don't see a contradiction. I probably should have written "do people see naturalised British citizens as worthy of consular assistance as native born", but then people probably would not have read past it, assuming it is my own closeted racist opinion. I didn't say "white home grown" anywhere either.

Do you consider someone who, say, spent 6 years in the UK, naturalised and then moved back to their country of origin
As British in
the narrow context of diplomatic assistance / consular protection/ emergency repatriation or rescue missions?

No. Not while in their country of origin. While in their country of origin, their citizenship of that country takes precedence over the British citizenship. This is because when you naturalise as a British citizen, you keep the citizenship of your country of origin in the vast majority of cases. Very few nations do not allow dual citizenship. By INTERNATIONAL LAW the U.K. cannot help a British citizen while they are in a country that they are also a citizen of. That has nothing to do with racism or perception.

It goes both ways though. A naturalised British citizen living in the U.K. CANNOT be arrested or pursued by their other country of citizenship. The other country also cannot help them if the British government decides to arrest them in the U.K. and charge them with a crime.

Begum is British and Iranian. She was arrested in Iran. By law there is nothing the British government can do. Anymore than a British and Iranian getting arrested in the U.K. for an offence can get help from Iran to avoid prison, etc.

I said 'white-home grown' and I put it in quotes because it's the assumption that some people think real British is (I don't qualify for this, but one of my parents is definitely this and can trace their family back til the dawn of time as being British.
Because if the colour of my skin, despite being born & raises in Britain & having one very British half of my ancestry I doubt very much that many 'white-home grown' British people think I could ever be British (I see it in the surprise when I open my month and very posh British voice comes out!)
I however do identify as British & European (different thread!) and even though I always get questioned at security coming home at the airport (I do travel a lot, but I dress like a typical Londoner) - but again my accent makes it a very quick interview.
I don't mind, it is what it is, I'm blessed with good looks and good health through my genes so I'm happy with the trade off.

If you're a British citizen then you should have all the legal rights that come with that, regardless of how you acquired your citizenship. If we start discriminating amongst citizens it becomes a very slippery slope.

However, I can also see that some people might think it it's not right that someone can become a citizen and get those rights without having made any commitment to this country beyond simply living here for 6 years. That does feel like quite a low barrier to acquiring citizenship.

If they're from a country that does not recognise dual citizenship, then they will have to give up citizenship of that country to acquire british citizenship, thereby not being one of the country's own any longer. To keep that citizenship means no citizenship in Britain

That only works if their other country recognises the change of nationality. If they do not permit relinquishment, and that person is in that country, they will be treated as a national, irrespective of what other countries have conferred nationality.

I agree with a PP, that in Ms Begum's case it was the press / public opinion that shaped the government reaction.

No it was not. This is rubbish. The government “reacted” in accordance with laws that have been in place internationally since they were codified by the UN at The Hague in 1930.

A naturalised British citizen living in the U.K. CANNOT be arrested or pursued by their other country of citizenship

Point of detail : They can, but only by using the same extradition proceedings as would be used for any Brit in Britain. They can't just take them.

Begum is British and Iranian. She was arrested in Iran. By law there is nothing the British government can do. Anymore than a British and Iranian getting arrested in the U.K. for an offence can get help from Iran to avoid prison, etc.

I think you're confusing Shamima Begum with Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe.

Begum was one of the teenage girls that left the UK to join ISIS. She has nothing to do with Iran.

No, but I’d they moved back to their birth country. I also imagine legally there British government have to obligation to help etc..

If someone moves here and wants to stay here and make it their home then yes.

No, not if they. That was meant to say