Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Are naturalised Brits really perceived "British" by the native population?

61 replies

SympatheticSwan · 01/02/2020 14:32

Not being goady (I am not British myself, and a relatively fresh immigrant).
Asking after a comment made by an acquaintance (in respect of the British nationals evacuation mission from Wuhan). This particular person is definitely racist and proud of it (I know it from our previous conversations), but it made me think and I decided to ask MN which has quite enlightened membership.
Do you consider someone who, say, spent 6 years in the UK, naturalised and then moved back to their country of origin as British as, say, someone who was born here to parents who lived all their lives here (to draw a line somewhere)? Let's say, in the narrow context of diplomatic assistance / consular protection/ emergency repatriation or rescue missions?

OP posts:
dellacucina · 01/02/2020 16:47

OP, I'd say that you should just choose the nationality which will be most useful to you for the foreseeable future.

I'm recently naturalised and fortunately didn't have to give up my original citizenship (US). It was extremely important to me to have the right to reside in the same place as my daughter without insecurity or restrictions, so I made naturalisation a priority (and I actually sacrificed a lot for it, which is another story). My plan is most likely to stay in the UK on a more or less permanent basis.

HOWEVER, if I had to surrender my birth citizenship and had the option to stay in the UK indefinitely, I probably would retain the original citizenship because the UK government has made it basically impossible for citizens with foreign elderly parents to bring the parents to this country for care / looking after. It's possible that I may need to go 'home' for a period of months or years to care for my parents in their old age and I don't want to put that right at risk.

Another consideration is that the world is at a nasty nationalistic phase in history, so I would not count on the rules currently in place to stay as they are. I see it as a possibility that nations will begin distinguishing between naturalised citizens and 'real' citizens, but they are far less likely to do that than they are to strip back the rights of those who simply have a right to remain. This is another reason I hurried to get naturalised.

IcedPurple · 01/02/2020 16:52

China is not allowing those with Canadian landed immigrant status (Chinese dual citizens) vs citizenship to be evacuated with the others. Canada agrees and says that is part of the restrictions of a landed status.

There is no such thing as 'Chinese dual citizens' at least not in the eyes of the Chinese govt. China does not permit dual nationality.

Thornhill58 · 01/02/2020 16:54

I became British 20 years ago. I'm so proud to belong to the United Kingdom. Nobody ever made me feel less but I'm also passionate about my own country. I do feel my heart is split in two. Britain has been amazing specially because my gorgeous husband of 30 years is from here. How can I not love the UK as much as my birth country? I'm lucky.

Ilovepinot · 01/02/2020 16:58

I am a dual citizen left England at 5 studied and worked in another country, got dual citizenship. Came back here at 29. I am 43 now and think of myself as British, I have a slight accent.

IcedPurple · 01/02/2020 16:59

Very few nations do not allow dual citizenship

Plenty of nations do not allow dual citizenship, including some of the most populous countries in the word such as China and India. Japan, Iran and many Middle Eastern countries also do not recognise it. Even in Europe, countries such as Norway, the Netherlands, Germany and Spain either do not allow dual nationality or permit it only in special circumstances.

Mintjulia · 01/02/2020 19:47

@reginabambina. No, for me Nationality is about home, culture & personal identity. I have a British passport but I’m English.

I am eligible for a French passport but it wouldn’t change the fact that in my head I would still be English.

gamerwidow · 01/02/2020 20:38

I’m sad that whatever my parents do in this country, if you were asked to think about it you see them as nonBritish with rights.

To be fair I don't really value 'Britishness' as a thing, I wouldn't be sad about what I think about this subject. I value your parents as British citizens and expect them to have 100% of the rights that come with this at be treated with the same respect as every other citizen. If they want to be seen as British that's fine I'm not against it.

HillAreas · 01/02/2020 20:52

To strictly refer to the OPs original example, if that individual moving to their country of origin said “I’m moving back home” then they are not British in their own hearts, even if they are legally. That’s the crux of it IMO. If you consider Britain to be “home” then I consider you to be British, whether you have citizenship or not.
I know that I could never be anything other than what I am. I am British and Scottish by blood (whatever that even means), by birth, legally and in my heart. But I don’t consider myself more British than anyone else that now truly calls this “home”.

PlanDeRaccordement · 01/02/2020 21:40

Iced purple,
There are actually 24 nations that do not allow dual citizenship out of a total of 195 nations in the world.

IcedPurple · 01/02/2020 22:54

So about 1 in 8 of the world's nations, among them the most populous. Not my idea of 'very few'.

jcyclops · 02/02/2020 00:06

I would be amazed if naturalised Brits are perceived as "British" by themselves or the native population. It may take many generations before they are. For example, there are sportsmen who play for another country when the only connection is that 1 out of their 4 grandparents was from there. The USA seems to be even more extreme, with families where nobody has left the USA for six generations being regarded by themselves and others as Irish, or Italian, or Dutch.

I have never been able to trace my ancestry very far, but my surname reveals it is highly likely that about 15 generations back, some ancestors were persecuted and fled France. That means that I may be 1/32768 French!!

New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Swipe left for the next trending thread