Aibu tombe scared to fly to Heathrow because of coronavirus?

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I booked my short getaway to London a while ago and never get to travel...but I'm scared to catch the virus and bring it home. Aibu?

When the numbers of Chinese folk dying of corona virus exceed 12,000 (when you multiply up by the difference between populations) then I'll start to worry

This is an example of a silly comment.
The problem (for us to worry in our daily lives) is the virus establishing itself outside of China. The actual number in China doesn't matter for us. It depends more on how much travel there is.

Didn't miss the point. She didn't say that she was living in London in 2017, it was just confusing wording.

Clearly she lived in Norway and now Sweden. Maybe said 4 years in Sweden for ease when she should have said Scandinavia. Still, encouraging other posters to go check her posts as it's apparently amusing reading is shitty when it's obvious she's having problems.

Fucking hell @Lweji

I give up. You are totally right.

PANNNNNICCCC

• www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2013/02/third-novel-coronavirus-infection-reported-uk-family

It has

It wasn't a pandemic. Far from it. Stop the scaremongering*

How... completely irrelevant. By this logic, we have the flu therefore there can never be a new flu pandemic? It’s a shame you weren’t around in 1918 to tell the Spanish flu it just wasn't a thing. Could have saved so many lives. (I’m sure I don’t need to point out that we also had the flu pre 1918)

crustycrab you said She didn't say that she was living in London in 2017, it was just confusing wording

I don't find these words of the OP at all confusing:

“My husband and I want to move out of London” – January 16, 2017
“Also, I live now in Norway” – January 16, 2017 (different thread)
“I have been living in Sweden for 4 years” – March 17, 2019

On the SAME DAY she was living in both London and Norway. Yet two years later, she'd apparently been in Sweden for four years. I'm afraid you only have to look at her posting history to see she contradicts herself continually and herself admits she only comes on MN every six months or so. Probably when she's bored. Sometimes she loves her husband who is a good man, sometimes she wants to leave him to move back to France. Sometimes she wants to move to Hove (from Scandinavia) another time it's St Alban's (from London).

It's merely allowing people to decide if they want to waste time on someone who seems to have a dubious posting history.

Do we really need this? My friend, a long term poster, was banned after starting a series of threads about a really distressing problem, right in the middle of it all. MN told her they’d found discrepancies in her previous posts. She had made small changes to her personal details or obscured them, as we are all well advised to do for cyber safety, but nothing else. Maybe the OP wants to obscure some facts that could be revealing IRL?

If you have doubts, report the thread.

@anothernamejeeves

Do read my posts on this thread. I'm not advocating panicking. But I'm not advocating dismissing it like you either.
There's real cause for concern on the part of health authorities, and for the general public to stay informed about developments and alerts.
If you think that' the same as panicking, then you need help.

Also, ahem, 2013 isn't 2010.

And the 2013 strain was a different beast. The cause for concern then was MERS, which has camels as reservoir.
The people who got a mild disease were lucky. Or wouldn't normally even get ill with a different strain. The death rate for MERS, so far is at over 30%. But person to person transmission is less effective.
www.who.int/emergencies/mers-cov/en/

The 2019 variant is closer to the SARS variety (see figure), although it seems to have a lower death rate.

This is the situation, as reported yesterday:
www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200128-sitrep-8-ncov-cleared.pdf?sfvrsn=8b671ce5_2
2.6% death rate
20% severe illness, both in relation to confirmed cases

Compare to previous days:
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports

It's increasing and spreading fast, and that's the main cause for concern.

You're right Lweji I worded it badly, and I did indeed mean the numbers of deaths (and the increase in numbers of identified cases from which they come)

I expect that the figures are being closely studied. And also hope that records of all deaths from pneumonia-like illnesses at around the time of the start of the outbreak being reviewed to see if more evidence on death rate can be gathered (for the elderly/compromised dying of pneumonia isn't unexpected especially in winter so misattribution is quite possible). Though there are limits on how reliable retrospective attribution could be - but it might be useful to researchers

Like I said. Badly worded. I read the "out of London" as "outside of London/to an area not in London".

And Sweden just should be Scandinavia. And yes, agreed. Absolutely no need for it

Saddened by the ignorance and abuse to OP on this thread.

So many claiming viruses can't travel 000's kilometres, but its here.

No symptoms are necessarily evident when the virus is contagious.

It is new and unknown, ergo people will [rightly] worry more.

All this thread serves is those who want to shout the worried voices down and belittle them. From those who don't have any facts to state.

At an admittedly rapid read there seem to be some sendible people on this thread.

Given the recent transmission to a Brighton person and lack of information, if you lived in Brighton would you be sending your children to school today/ going to work in a public facing role?

Yes of course I would. A single person in Brighton, infected overseas and self-isolating.

It’s not even a remotely comparable situation to the OPs in any case.

All changed now.

BBC reporting they are now attempting to trace patients at the GP practice.

Another thing we do not know is if this virus remains just as infectious as it passes on through each person (or if, as postulated, for some other viruses eg the haemorrhagic fevers, it attenuated spontaneously after 3 or so transmissions)

Another thing we do not know is if this virus remains just as infectious as it passes on through each person (or if, as postulated, for some other viruses eg the haemorrhagic fevers, it attenuated spontaneously after 3 or so transmissions)

That's not how it works.

If very sick people are isolated early on, as for contacts of very sick people, then the most pathogenic strains won't be passed on easily and their frequency in the population will decrease.
That means that less virulent strains in people showing only minor symptoms become more frequent instead.

This means that even if we can't stop it becoming a pandemic, at least we can do our best to limit the spread of the most dangerous variants, if there are variants at this early point in the outbreak.

Thats good to hear Lweji

Those living in households together, which I imagine could easily be happening in China will be getting exposed to the most virulant and harmful strains then, where many are not making it to hospital and dying at home.

I am expecting that the death rates will suddenly start spiking as it takes 20 days, or so I've heard, to die of coronavirus.

This makes an interesting read in a short space of time. Anyone want to issues apologies to the Op, to Lweji ?

This thread hasn’t aged well [shock]@anothernamejeeves

Don't worry about the airport, but do check your hotel is open still, because you'll be spending a lot of time there, given that sightseeing is not an essential journey, and there are no restaurants, theatres or cinemas open to go to. Have a nice trip.

@Lweji - nice diagram, and its not even a parking thread.

This thread hasn’t aged well shock

It really hasn’t. Shows the speed of the whole thing. Ten weeks.

Some posters are owed apologies, I think.

I bet posters like anothername are feeling very foolish round about now whilst posters like lewji are entirely vindicated.

@anothernamejeeves might be using their lockdown time to bake a big old humble pie, if they can find any flour that is.

@Lweji I know you're an expert in this field as I've seen other posts you've made in the past, way before this coronavirus, but the way you nailed this back in January is impressive. You're definitely owed an apology!

Wow. What a change! Also imoressed at lwejis insight.

@anothernamejeeves had no choice but to name change after being such a twat on this thread. 🤣

@Lweji
Amazing.