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to ask if you can answer a question re probability (Maths question)

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Fainne · 24/01/2020 00:23

So, say I have 20 cards in a pack.

I pick one. It's the Ace of Diamonds let's say for argument's sake.

I then pick another one out of the same pack of 20 cards the following day.

Am I correct in saying that the odds of me picking the same card is a multiple of the single odds?

So 1/20 x 1/20 = 1/400

?

Because I've someone telling me the odds are still 1/20 that I'll pull the same card.

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PotholeParadise · 24/01/2020 01:27

Fainne

Nobody cares about your religious habits. Stop drinking and posting.

Fainne · 24/01/2020 01:32

So you guys can't work it out so you claim I'm drunk? PMSL!

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Fainne · 24/01/2020 01:33

God - the English education system has a LOT to answer for.

But, if any of you wish to play poker - I'll happily host!

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PurpleDaisies · 24/01/2020 01:34

I’ll try again...

Try this.
I have two dice that I roll at the same time.

  1. What is the probability that they both show a six?
  2. What is the probability that they will both show the same number?
Fainne · 24/01/2020 01:36

FFS we hear about the great British Education system. This is basic maths ffs!

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OhTheManatee · 24/01/2020 01:38

OP there are two different questions in your posts.
The odds of picking ace of diamonds two days in a row is 1/400. As you say, it's multiplying the single odds.
Once you've got the ace of diamonds on the first day the odds of picking the ace of diamonds the next day is 1/20 (one lot of the single odds).

Fainne · 24/01/2020 01:39
  1. 1/36
  2. 1/36 with a little 5 on top of the six which I can't do on my laptop.
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PurpleDaisies · 24/01/2020 01:39

If it’s such basic maths, how about trying the simple question I set? You can probably find the answers on google if it’s too hard.

PotholeParadise · 24/01/2020 01:40

Mate, I've worked out the probabilities of several questions now, and so has Purple. The problem is you can't decide what your question is or, possibly, read.

If your desired outcome is very narrow, as in you need to draw a particular individual card twice, and only that card will do out of all 20, then your odds are 1/400 before you start.

If you have wider criteria, and any card out of that 20 , so long as you get it twice, then the odds are 20/400, which equals 1/20.

Fainne · 24/01/2020 01:41

The question is about picking the same card two days in a row. I had to simplify it. I suspect I complicated things.

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Spamantha · 24/01/2020 01:41

The odds of you picking the same card 2 days running is 1 in 20.

The odds of you picking a pre-selected card two days running is 1 in 400.

PurpleDaisies · 24/01/2020 01:41
  1. 1/36
  2. 1/6

Sad times.

Spamantha · 24/01/2020 01:42

1. 1/36
2. 1/36 with a little 5 on top of the six which I can't do on my laptop.
Ouch.

TakemedowntoPotatoCity · 24/01/2020 01:43

Jesus

You're all making this far too complicated. My head hurts.

Basically, if you don't specify which card you want on day 1 there are no odds to beat are there? So the only thing that counts is day 2 when you want the same card you picked on day 1. Art this point you have a 1/20 chance.

On the other hand, if you specify you want the Ace of Spades or whatever then the odds become 1out of 20 you will pick that card. You replace it, and the next day you try to pick it again - you are now in the same position you were in in the first scenario, looking for the card you picked yesterday, so 1 / 20 chance. So in scenario b, 2 lots of 1 in 20 make ....1 in 400. Simples!

Fainne · 24/01/2020 01:43

No - the question was quite clear. What are the odds of picking the same card two days running.

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PotholeParadise · 24/01/2020 01:44

1/36 with a little 5 on top of the six which I can't do on my laptop.

Okay, now we're getting to the root of the problem. Right, we can sort this misunderstanding out.

Be right back, I need to draw a tree diagram to illustrate this one.

Spamantha · 24/01/2020 01:46

The question is about picking the same card two days in a row. I had to simplify it. I suspect I complicated things.
So its 1 in 20.

Assuming there's no prospect you might accidentally slip, miss the deck and fail to pick a card on day 1, there is a 100% probability you will pick a card on day 1.

The odds of you picking the same card the next day are 1 in 20.

So...its 1 in 20.

PurpleDaisies · 24/01/2020 01:46

This will blow your mind.

I have written out all 36 possibilities for he numbers the two dice could display. I have circled the ones with matching numbers (two 1s, two 2s etc).

There are 6 sets of matching numbers. There are 36 possibilities.

6/36 = 1/6

Can you now see that if you don’t specify which card you need on both days the probability of two matching cards increases from 1/400 to 1/20?

to ask if you can answer a question re probability (Maths question)
Fainne · 24/01/2020 01:47

PMSL. You guys really don't do maths do you?

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Spamantha · 24/01/2020 01:48

Okay, it's a troll.

Fainne · 24/01/2020 01:48

Purple - could you and your sideways numbers, do one please?

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OhTheManatee · 24/01/2020 01:49

"The question is about picking the same card two days in a row."

Then the answer is 1/20.

There are 400 possible combinations of two cards and 20 of those are the same card twice. 20/400 = 1/20

Fainne · 24/01/2020 01:49

Have I made your head hurt Spamantha?

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PurpleDaisies · 24/01/2020 01:49

Here we are with the being aggressive when you are shown to be wrong.

Fainne · 24/01/2020 01:50

Good Lord - you get worse with every post!

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