I’ve just heard

[TheSheepofWallSt]

CHESTER DRAWERS in the wild!

From a person I did not expect to hear it from...

WIBU to have thought that it was a myth?!

Taddda Meant to say, it's the same as 'could of' and 'should of' used instead of 'could have' and 'should have'. That's all over mn and the tv but again, I don't know anyone in RL who speaks like that.

Marleyj8 Fri 24-Jan-20 21:23:31
@WhereShallWeMoveTo that's interesting, it is definitely younger people saying it. And the inflection thing too. When I hear it I want to go Noooo!! grin
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The upward inflection, like a question mark, at the end of a sentence always drove me potty. I would say, "You don't sound very sure". However I haven't heard it so much in recent years. It seemed to start with Australian soap operas.

I may have said that yesterday I read a long, quite interesting, opening post in which five paragraphs started with 'so'; then I read another post with two instances of 'wouldn'tof or shouldn't of'. You'd think people would learn! I wonder if some people ever did basic English at school.

-ed seems to get dropped now.

e.g.
I text her yesterday.
He was warn not to do it.

One that started cropping up in undergraduate essays a few years ago and is now becoming almost standard is the inability to distinguish between "who" and "whom".

An easy way to verify if ever somebody isn't sure is to swap 'who' or 'whom' for 'he' or 'him'. If the sentence makes sense with 'him', then 'whom' is correct; if you would need to use 'he, then it's 'who'. There's nothing to say you couldn't use 'she' and 'her' instead, but it's easier to remember to match the 'm' or the lack of 'm' at the end.

People who say 'a myriad of trees/birds/musical notes (whatever). You don't use the of. Same with people who say the hoi polloi. No, it's just hoi polloi. There's no 'the' required.

@pigsDOfly just out of interest, do people you know irl pronounce all their words correctly, quite well spoken? I'd say (and write) 'could've', which does sound like 'could of' spoken, but is just 'could have' shortened....again, I think it's just a speech evolution, it is transgressing into written language though- I had a text convo with a friend yesterday that was just emojis...

That's not true about 'myriad' - you can say 'myriad people', 'a myriad of people' or 'the people are myriad'. I remember being initially berated by my university tutor about this, but he conceded when I stood my ground and provided evidence

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/myriad

I completely concur about 'THE' hoi polloi, though. For some reason, hearing somebody say that always brings to mind the otherwise forgettable film Mickey Blue Eyes, where it was remarked on that somebody had opened a bar/restaurant and called it THE La Traviata.

In a similar vein to the hoi palloi, I'm going to bash American English here.

They call gravy (as we know it, not the thick white sauce that is American 'gravy') au jus. But in french, but the noun is just jus.

To say au jus is like saying in its juice, or with its juice.

To say that beef is served au jus is fine, but to simply refer to the gravy alone as au jus with out any reference to the meat, or to say the beef is served with au jus makes no sense at all. You can even see it on supermarket packaging for ready made gravy, called simply au jus.

They call blue cheese bleu cheese too, which I find very odd. If French is really necessary then why not fromage bleu? We do have a word in English for blue you know, and besides, not all blue cheese is necessarily French anyway.

Have just seen on Instagram 'Monday mornings are torcher'

i no.

@Taddda I suppose the people I know in rl are generally reasonably well spoken but everyone I know uses 'could've', 'would've' and so on in speech.

However, to my ear 'could've' sound nothing like 'could of'. 'Could've has an underlying 'a' sound between the 'could' and the 've' part, whereas 'could of' has a definite 'of' sound.

No one would say 'I hope you hof a good holiday', so I don't understand why anyone would say 'could of'.

Perhaps you're right to say it's speech evolution, but it's not a good thing and is similar to the use of an 'f' sound being used in words that have a 'th' sound: free instead of three, funder instead of thunder and so on.

These things are so prevalent now, that unfortunately they will, no doubt, eventually become the norm and everyone will speak like that. Hopefully, not in my lifetime though.

People who say 'a myriad of trees/birds/musical notes (whatever).You don't use the of

That’s just not true!

I had a friend who seriously called a dado rail a dildo rail.

Whereshallwe, you forgot to mention the American erbs. What is this bastardised french they employ?

In fact, that's erbs with par star.

The difference between a myriad of and hoi polloi is that a myriad is here a noun, so it is the same as saying a "half a dozen of" or "a large quantity of". Perfectly correct.
The reason why hoi polloi doesn't come with an article is that it already has one: "hoi" is the Greek word for "the". It would be like saying "the le Loire".

The very worstest (!) is floor. Instead of ground. Floor is inside, ground is outside. Or is this just me? e.g. she was hit outside the shop, by falling roof tiles and fell to the floor. Fell to the ground? AARRGGHH! this is actually a true storey innit. :)
I remember, trying to teach my 3 Herberts, the difference between TH and F, e.g. thief and feather. And then dramatically launching myself into the living room, asking if anyone wanted some trithle. FFS!!! Trithle. Never been allowed to forget that one! LOL LOL LOL!

Received a school letter, saying that I should of received Curlys school report by now. I regularly have to check spellings of the teacher. Quite scary. Frightening. When I worked in a school, I received a poster, from the Ministry for Education, declaring Numeracy and Literacy weeks, with specific emphasis on Vocablary. I rang them and was told that I had saved them "huge embarrassment". No shit, Sherlock. But was still expected to display the posters. Don't quite know what to say to that, except Good Luck! LOL!

The very worstest (!) is floor. Instead of ground. Floor is inside, ground is outside. Or is this just me? e.g. she was hit outside the shop, by falling roof tiles and fell to the floor. Fell to the ground?

^^ This! This drives me mad.

If that really is the worst thing you can imagine, I suggest you read more widely and expand your mind and horizons in life, and maybe try some meditation to chill the fuck out a bit.

Fell to the floor is nicely alliterative.

Haven't heard, but just read someone using the word "brang". For context, "I haven't brang it up with him yet."

Christ.