Laurence Fox is an ignorant, spoilt brat.

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What is wrong with this fool? Apparently in James Delingpole's podcast, heavy sigh, he criticises Sam Mendes for featuring a Sikh soldier in WW1 film. Ever heard of the British Empire, Laurence? How many Indians died for Britain? AIBU to say LF is being deliberately divisive and provocative and evidently doing his own publicity?

Thanks. I was asking because, the fact these men had been arrested and charged means there is no massive outcry years, even decades later when they've been free to continue raping thanks to a fear of being seen to be racist. The mass coverage about Rotherham etc is precisely because these men were not arrested due to fears of being seen as racist. The two stories are not comparable if you get what I mean?

I think they are comparable because like the Rotherham cases this went on for years, the Rotherham men have been arrested and charged the same as these local men, as I said I don't know why it wasn't dealt with earlier but presumably there was a reason and that reason would be as unreasonable as the racism reason. I mean I can't think of a reason why it would be OK to fail to deal with this when it was known it was going on.

I suppose like Jimmy Saville, people knew it was happening and did nothing. That wasn't racism but it still meant girls were being abused. Presumably in his case it was celebrity or money that made the difference but just as unacceptable.

I would bet 90% of the outraged on this board haven't even listened to the podcast!! Firstly it was recorded BEFORE the QT show and it's journalists that have been pouring over it now to make stories. So I'd suggest you listen to it first before you continue with your outrage. A bit of context will make a huge difference.

Jeez. Fake news at its fucking finest.

Why can't we just accept some people have daft opinions? Why do we constantly have to be outraged?

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You are tight, even the OP had not listened to it, starting the thread on what they had heard about it.

This is a witch-hunt not just fake news.

On the other hand over the last few years we've heard alot of about men of Pakistani ethnicity abusing girls but very little about white men doing the same

I disagree. This is a majority white country so of course the ratios will show that there will be more white paedophiles, just as there will be more Pakistani paedophiles in Pakistan because the majority of men there are Pakistani. However, if there were organised groups of white men specifically grooming Muslim girls in Pakistani there would be uproar and there would be a lot of research into why one demographic was targetting another, which would be totally reasonable and the right thing to do.

I don't understand why so many people seem to want to obfuscate the facts that predominantly Pakistani grooming gangs exist in the UK and that they predominantly target vulnerable white girls.

@usernamerisnotavailable - RIGHT not tight!

I went off him after I saw him on Question Time. He's a dickhead and doesn't know what he's talking about.

I disagree. This is a majority white country so of course the ratios will show that there will be more white paedophiles, just as there will be more Pakistani paedophiles in Pakistan because the majority of men there are Pakistani. However, if there were organised groups of white men specifically grooming Muslim girls in Pakistani there would be uproar and there would be a lot of research into why one demographic was targetting another, which would be totally reasonable and the right thing to do.

Oh right, so these young girls being abused didn't matter because the abusers were the same colour. I'll have to get in touch with the foster mother and tell her she shouldn't have worried. That's a relief!

Snowdrops, Robin Hood is a fictional character.

Btw I'm very cynical about the police being that arsed about racism. "Oh we're scared of being seen as racist." Bollocks. You didn't want to do your fucking job. You're happy to ignite racial tensions when it suits you.

Actually, probably shouldn't have said that word. Oh well.

I disagree. This is a majority white country so of course the ratios will show that there will be more white paedophiles, just as there will be more Pakistani paedophiles in Pakistan because the majority of men there are Pakistani. However, if there were organised groups of white men specifically grooming Muslim girls in Pakistani there would be uproar and there would be a lot of research into why one demographic was targetting another, which would be totally reasonable and the right thing to do.

Oh right, so these young girls being abused didn't matter because the abusers were the same colour. I'll have to get in touch with the foster mother and tell her she shouldn't have worried. That's a relief!

Indeed. I'm involved with a project that helps Central Asian women speak up about abuse, and that goes on in the Asian community here.

Please don't take this as me minimising what happened to the vulnerable white girls at the hands of these gangs (I'm a white SA victim myself). But what some of us are trying to get across is that Asian girls have no voice at all. They get blamed for what happens to them.

It's ludicrous to suggest that there would be swift action if Asian girls were targeted by white gangs. No, we would even know about it, as the girls would be blamed, and possibly stoned to death.

And white perverts would simply need to visit trafficking victims in order to find Asian victims. It's an entirely different set up.

I understand how a deeply religious culture works and the fear of 'shame'. There's some of that still in the church unfortunately, which is very depressing to me as a committed Christian. A girl who has been raped is seen as having brought shame on her family/community. Have you noticed that it's only girls who are at risk of 'honour killings'?

But what some of us are trying to get across is that Asian girls have no voice at all. They get blamed for what happens to them.

It's not a competition, all these women are victims, seemingly of the same demographic. The cover up by authorities who were afraid of being accused of being racist by highlighting the ethnicity of the mostly Pakistani groomers has done absolutely no favours to the poor Asian girls who are mistreated within their own community and hidden away. They are just as much victims as the white girls but it seems that the authorities for some reason are afraid of tackling Pakistani males and all the abuses that go on in their communities such as forced marriages, FGM, "honour" killings etc.

I know it isn't a competition, I was responding really to the poster asking what would happen if white gangs targeted girls in an Asian country. That does happen but sadly with impunity, as the girls involved have been trafficked. That's all I really wanted to get across. I agree with you, though.

Lizzie I wasn't talking about the abuse of Asian girls, I know that is bad. I was talking about the difference is how the abuse of white girls by gangs of men of Pakistani origin is reported compared to very similar abuse of white girls by white men. Not only how it is reported in fact, how it went on for years unchallenged and there is outrage about one and not the other. Surely any gang of men, or individual men for that matter, abusing vulnerable girls should be dealt with and none of it dismissed. It seems at the moment that Asian girls being abused or white girls being abused by white men is being glossed over and Pakistani men or men of Pakistani origin are being turned into the big bad wolf and white girls into Goldilocks which is dangerous as it means other situations will be missed.

In no way was I dismissing what happens to Asian girls, please read my posts again as I find that accusation very offensive.

I know it isn't a competition, I was responding really to the poster asking what would happen if white gangs targeted girls in an Asian country. That does happen but sadly with impunity, as the girls involved have been trafficked. That's all I really wanted to get across. I agree with you, though. You quoted me and I didn't mention anything about Asian girls in this country or any other.

I apologise, @1forsorrow for causing offence. I'm only too well aware of how little interest is taken in the abuse of white girls (and boys too, which really isn't talked about much). My DSis and I are SA survivors, at the hands of white men, so I know only too well about that. My DB was a victim, too (though also groomed to be a perpetrator, though he isn't one at all now, just a totally destroyed man of 52.

So I wasn't in any way trying to dismiss white victims of white perpetrators.

Elizabeth I famously complained about “too manie” “blackamores” in England in 1596!

I watched it today and think he came across poorly in how he tried to express himself. I interpreted the MM issue as him objecting to the woman who seemed to imply that that if you don't like Megan Markle you are a racist.

I did smile at the flying comment about how actors preach though.

And if we want a debate about people who really do hold offensive opinions on the industrial rape of girls by “Asian” gangs, I recommend Lily “someone else would have raped them anyway” Allen. Now there is a despicable human being worthy of a thread like this.

Bloody hell, did she really say that!? Disgraceful but I can imagine a lot of middle class "liberals" would quietly think that considering their contempt for the working classes. Sounds like a parody of herself now.

@Lizzie0869 if you're talking about Robin Hood Prince of Thieves, then the BAME character isn't one of the Merry Men, he came back with Robin from the Crusades, where he had been fighting with Richard III. It's implausible, granted, but it's a nice story and makes sense.

I think you mean Richard I, the Lionheart, rather than Richard III.

But I was actually thinking of the kids' Maid Marion series written by Tony Robinson. Although the character in Prince of Thieves doesn't hold water for me, either.