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I think it is unhelpful for the intersex community for such conditions (AIS, Swyer Syndrome, etc.) to be conflated with sexuality (i.e. LGBTQ, etc.) or with gender identity issues such as being gender-queer or transgender.

Intersex conditions are biological/medical whereas sexuality is psychological, so - in my opinion - they should be treated differently. AIBU?

T isn't a sexuality either

T isn't a sexuality either

I agree.

T isn't a sexuality
I isn't a sexuality
the difference is some people have deliberately co-opted the I (more properly people with disorders of sexual development, but that might give the game away) into LGBT because it strengthens the false claim that sex is a spectrum
so whilst the OP is not U, it doesn't fully address the situation

The LGB is one thing, T is a different thing entirely, I is a different thing again. I don’t think it’s helpful to anyone to lump them all together. Maybe to some campaigners from the T side I guess

I’m sure I’ve seen quite a few intersex orgs asking not to be included.

YANBU - lumping them all together does more harm than good.

A lot of gay people think this but we're not heard.

Have a look at the LGB Alliance.

Before anyone tries, they're not a "transphobic" organisation yawn

How's about it's for those of us who are outside of the heteronorm.

As a lesbian I really wish they would stop lumping everything into the LGBTQIAXYZ alphabet soup. I have absolutely no insight into how it may feel to be trans or intersex so I don’t see why being gay means I am in the same spectrum.

If you're intersex, you tell people to fuck off if they call you something you don't like.

If you're not intersex, stop trying to categorise people.

It’s because of intersectionality of oppression. People in the LGBTQ+ rainbow suffer similar discrimination and prejudice. So we lend each other strength and support as part of the diversity rainbow alliance.

Stonewall used to be LGB. I wish it still was.

How's about it's for those of us who are outside of the heteronorm
I'm not sure how people who have a chromosome disorder fit into this group - I don't think the term "intersex" is helpful anyway in describing genetic conditions which can vary hugely and are often rare. It lumps people together who may have nothing in common

I also agree sexuality and gender identity don't fit together in one group either.

How's about it's for those of us who are outside of the heteronorm.

Most people with DSD are heteronormative....

So we lend each other strength and support as part of the diversity rainbow alliance.

Ha! As if!

YANBU

I know someone with an intersex condition. She looks completely female, She identifies as female, she has a vagina and a womb, she’s straight and has a boyfriend. She just can’t conceive due to her condition.

She would be utterly bewildered to be lumped in with LGBQTI community As she shares nothing in common with gay people or with trans people whatsoever.

wrong sort of intersex, innit

How's about it's for those of us who are outside of the heteronorm.

But that's the whole point. If you are intersex (or have a DSD, which I agree is a better description) and you are attracted to people of the opposite sex then you are heteronormative.

Even with transgender issues (and, as I said, I don't think they should be lumped together either) there is some fuzziness, as either your post- or pre-operative gender is going to be the same as the person you are in a relationship with.

As a woman with 47X trisomy you have no idea just how much you are NOT being unreasonable.

I'm so sick of dodgy activists using my uniquely female condition as some kind of 'gotcha' when people point out human beings can't change sex.

My (minor*) medical condition has nothing to do with people who are dissatisfied with the reality of their sex.

*other forms of chromosomal and developmental disorders related to sex can be much more difficult than mine

If you are intersex (or have a DSD, which I agree is a better description) and you are attracted to people of the opposite sex then you are heteronormative.

But by definition there is no opposite sex, if a person is neither biologically male nor female.

I mean, many people with a DSD will feel comfortable identifying as male or female, but some may not, so presumably they may have some struggles with sexual identity that aren’t dissimilar to LGB people.

So we lend each other strength and support as part of the diversity rainbow alliance.

Can I also borrow your unicorn?

But by definition there is no opposite sex, if a person is neither biologically male nor female.

Well perhaps, if you're being absolutely theoretical about it, but if you take someone such as AllIdeasAndNoAction describes then they are, to all intents and purposes, a female in a heterosexual relationship.

If you're not intersex, stop trying to categorise people.

I'm not sure whether that's aimed specifically at me, but a) yes, I am intersex, and b) the whole point of this thread is not wanting to be wrongly categorised.

People with dsd are either Male or Female. If they identify as something then that would fall under the T that's already there