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To want partner to tell new job I'm pregnant?

90 replies

SparkleUK · 17/01/2020 16:11

So, I'm due 19th February and partner starts new job 24th with an event that he must attend on the 26th (they want confirmation of his attendance and which guests he'll be bringing).

The whole application was submitted a year ago, due to the job, it's taken this time to get to this point and the job will have training with a week's leave granted at the end, he starts formally in June. This is their last version of their training programme before they change it to degree based so he's concerned about being placed onto that one instead but I digress.
They do not allow any leave during training it says and obviously I know he won't get paternity etc due to being a new employee.

I've mentioned it many times that he needs to tell them I'm pregnant as we cannot guarantee when baby will come and he can't just up one day in training and say 'have to leave, sorry' if I go into labour! As I say, he's so worried about being put back training programme wise and he wanted to wait for his final confirmation which he's now received.
AIBU to just want him to get on with it and tell them and how can he broach this subject in the best way with them?

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NC4THISandTHAT · 17/01/2020 17:34

If it's civil service job....I'd be worried he's trying to be matcho showing family isn't no1 and doesn't get in the way.

managedmis · 17/01/2020 17:36

It's taken a YEAR for him to finally start this job? He cannot take time off to attend the birth, no way

TopOftheNaughtyList · 17/01/2020 17:37

I too was thinking Police. My son in law passed out in October last year and he wasn't allowed time off during training. It was M-F day time training though and non-residential, so he wasn't away from home. It's so important to keep up with the course and pass all the tests because if you fail the exams, they only give you two chances then you have to start from scratch.

ThunderboltandLightning · 17/01/2020 17:38

Get the midwife to start sweeps etc a couple of days before due date, or ask for induction, basically get the baby out before he starts the training course.

GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 17/01/2020 17:38

How far away is the training?

Embracelife · 17/01/2020 17:42

He should talk to them and mention it on understanding that compulsory is compulsory and if needs be you organize another birth partner.
You are giving birth not him.

He does not need to be there or you to give birth...you will still give birth even if he not there...although nicefor you.

He can go along when training day ends? Spend night with you go back to training.

isabellerossignol · 17/01/2020 17:43

I would have been terrified without my husband with me at the birth, as I was left alone for long periods of time, so I'm not dismissive of what a big deal it would be to have to do it alone. But even with all that, I don't see any way round this. If he can't miss the training, he can't miss the training.

Christmaspug · 17/01/2020 17:46

My daughter and husband have done this training
You need another birthing partner,he’s not going to be getting time of .
The degree intake is a lot less money for a lot more expected of you ,so you basically do the job and do a degree and get paid a shit load less
You need to let him do his job I’m afraid

YummyChipCurryDip · 17/01/2020 17:48

Circumstances dictated that I had my babies without support from friends or relatives. Plenty of medical staff though so I felt secure enough. It would have been 'nice' to have DH there but everything went fine without him. I personally think a job is pretty important. Not everyone agrees, obvs.

Thoughtlessinengland · 17/01/2020 17:51

I was left alone for long periods of time, so I'm not dismissive of what a big deal it would be to have to do it alone.

I don’t think anyone is suggesting OP does it alone. I think people including myself are asking if her partner is the THE one and only one to be the birth partner and if that is literally the ONLY possible positive outcome. A female relative, close friend, of affordable then a doula offering a payment plan (depends obviously on finances) - various options. The only situation where it becomes mandatory for him and him alone to be in this role is he/she cannot contemplate birth without him present at all times. Which is as valid a way of thinking as anything

Thoughtlessinengland · 17/01/2020 17:53

Also everyone is different. For me with DC1 what I remember most is some fantastic Midwives and my lovely doula and the female company around me at the end - although of course my spouse was there and cut cord etc, I wouldn’t say he and he alone was the knight in shining armour - or that he even fancies that role. So this time he is going to be flexible within being there/on site/in room/fetching me snacks/with DS/whatever as he is not in the official birth partner role. But this depends on what’s emotionally needed by OP And partner and what other resources OP can tap into

AmelieTaylor · 17/01/2020 17:54

I can see why he hasn’t told them yet, but despite waiting for the confirmation he’s not guaranteed a position if he takes time off during the training.

As others have said, some training us legally required for someone to do specific jobs so they might not be able to allow him to take time off & still employ him.

If it was me, I’d just plan to either have a friend on standby or do it alone & if he can make it- great, if not then it’s just one of those things. Having the Dad there in the room is a relatively ‘new’ thing & plenty of Dads still aren’t due to logistics or the fact they’ll be a liability not a help.

Dad has plenty of time to be a good Dad- he has nothing to prove by attending the birth. The MUM is the one giving birth & having Dad there is not always for the best. Even if he’s great and you really want him there, getting this job might be something that improves your life, his life & the baby’s! Give it serious thought, don’t just say he HAS to be there.

Starlight456 · 17/01/2020 17:55

If it is the police , my friend went on a residential week .

I think you need to talk to him realistically what he plans to do if you go into labour.

I am a childminder if I missed one day of the pre reg course I would not be able to work till I had completed begat day.

SparkleUK · 17/01/2020 17:55

Thank you all for your replies, all valid points from all sides.

Yes, public sector hence the time taken to get to this point as there's so much required beforehand and training non residential but still a big focus of effort which I completely understand.
We both didn't want him to be off for the training or miss anything more than necessary, it was just the birth as I'd find it more stressful to have family there than not so I think I'd rather be by myself if not him.
I know so many caveats to this as can't definitely say when baby will come but just wanted to be courteous in regards to the birth; late I know and not for want of trying

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Scrumptiousbears · 17/01/2020 18:04

My DP had to give in my Mat B1 form in to his public sector job. They wouldn't let him just up and leave to "attend a the birth" one random day without notice and simply on his say so.

GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 17/01/2020 18:07

I really hope that the baby comes before he starts the training and you can have him there. Or at the weekend. At least he'll be able to come to you at the end of the session if you do going into labour while he's on the course.

DCOkeford · 17/01/2020 18:10

Would he really want to work for an employer quite so draconian?

They wouldn't let him just up and leave to "attend a the birth" one random day without notice and simply on his say so

Its really quite depressing to think of an actual adult employee being so poorly valued that they are treated like a small child.

WhatWouldTheDoctorDo · 17/01/2020 19:19

If there's no leave allowed during training then you need to be prepared for him not to be at the birth, unless they agree in advance that he can leave during the training for the birth. He just needs to speak to them and be prepared to accept their decision, to do anything else will risk his job.

Boom45 · 17/01/2020 19:27

"No leave during training" can mean absolutely no leave during training or you'll not get the job but it can also mean no leave during training but if your wife goes into labour then they'll make an exception because they're not twats. I'd tell them if I was him, then at least he'll know either way and you can plan

BobbyBlueCat · 17/01/2020 19:42

@SparkleUK
I'd REALLY consider him asking to be deferred on to the next intake.
Even if they allow him time off for the birth (very unlikely during initial training), they'll make him defer his passing out until later anyway until they do that part of the training for another intake and he can sit in.

Even at best, you have the baby before he starts.
But do you both realise the impact of a new baby AND initial training.
If it's not residents, yes he'll be home every night.
But it's not just sitting in a classroom learning for three months. It's intense.
He has to learn the fundamentals of all the basic offences during that time before he goes out with his tutor for the next stage of his probation. There are so many offences, they'll only spend part of a day, a day or maybe two days on each area.
That means every night, from the minute he gets home, he'll be expected to be revising the next days subject. Learning definitions of offences word for word.
Every week there will be knowledge checks.
He's got an exam at the end of the initial training.
He's got a fitness test at the beginning and again during his defence training week.

He's got boots to shine.
He's got uniform to wash and iron with perfect creases.
He's not going to be able to help you or enjoy his new child one little bit. Baby waking in the night is going to affect him the following day.

And then he goes out after three months with a tutor. Again, he's constantly assessed. He'll have a file to build to evidence his competencies.
He'll be working very long shifts. Night shifts (maybe for the first time?) - are you going to leave the house from 8am to 8pm so he can sleep? If you're not, he's not going to be able to perform at work to the standard they'll be looking for in a probationer.
If they extend his probation because they don't feel he's able to give his all, it'll affect him once goes signed off his probation. Teams talk. Nobody wants someone on their team that got their probation extended or can't stay awake during shifts (yes, I know people in the job for years who have babies and struggle but in a probationer, it's not good at all) because they don't be able to trust him. He is the only thing standing between them being killed or going home to their own families. If he is too tired or distracted, he won't have their backs.

A lot of forces then put their probationers in to their driving course.
Your child will be 4-10 months, depending when born.
That's three weeks of intense revision, exams and driving at VERY high speeds. If he's exhausted then lives are at risks.

If he defers, he can go in to the next intake and give it his all.
But if he goes on to this one and fails it, he's lost his shot at joining.

I'm genuinely not trying to upset you. But you've got to be prepared that this is going to be tough for both of you.
He'll be torn between his dream job and a baby he can't spend the time he wants with.
You'll want to share it all with him and be resentful that he can't help or share any of the precious moments with you.

Go in to this with open eyes.
Because if he doesn't defer, this is going to be a VERY tough few months that you might not be able to emotionally forgive or forget.

louise5754 · 17/01/2020 19:45

My husband missed the birth of our first because work sent him away. It's crap but my mum was at the birth (sort of I had 12 hours alone)

Retroflex · 17/01/2020 20:20

@DCOkeford "Would he really want to work for an employer quite so draconian?"

The police force cannot afford their candidates missing vital parts of their training... Hmm I don't know why you would class that as being "draconian"

Heeelllooo987171717 · 17/01/2020 21:08

@BobbyBlueCat

Please don’t scare the OP, most forces use wicking shirts, so no creases on the shirts to iron.... the fitness test is level 5.4 it’s can be done pretty easily with a huge level of tiredness.
There are knowledge checks but it won’t take over their lives.
They won’t be the first and they certainly won’t be the last to do it.....

Heeelllooo987171717 · 17/01/2020 21:09

It also takes a hell of a lot too fair, given how much £ it costs a force to get you to even starting they do their upmost best to keep
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Heeelllooo987171717 · 17/01/2020 21:10

It also takes a hell of a lot too fair to get rid of you..... given how much £ it costs a force to get you to even starting they do their upmost best to keep
You
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