AIBU to be worried about the next Refugee crisis

[Gin96]

The numbers are starting to accelerate again, the poor people stuck in Greece camps but people from the EU have lost interest, I wonder how this is going to end? Will the EU open the borders again?

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/jan/16/catastrophic-conditions-greet-refugees-arriving-on-lesbos

[AlwaysThinkingOfNames]

JaneyCartmel you are deliberately being obtuse. Britain fucked up half the world with it's glorious empire and is now dealing with the consequences. Good. The closet racists can foam at the mouth about the good old days but will never understand that it was British policy and imperialism that caused the problems they think going back to 1950 will solve.

[JaneyCartmel]

@5zeds
Who weren’t allowed to marry into the royal family or become Head of State until recently.

[SerendipityJane]

If you want to discuss population growth (or control) you need to start with the carbon footprint per child, which in Europe is an order of magnitude more than most less developed countries. Someone living in (say) Somalia could have 69 children before they reached the footprint of a single child in Europe. Or thereabouts.

[5zeds]

Do you interact with any non-white people at all @JaneyCartmel? Is it immigrants in general you feel aren’t your problem or refugees particularly? What about British born children of immigrants?

[SerendipityJane]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

[MorrisZapp]

Yes they are facts. My family members clients lose their birth certificates and say they're much younger than they actually are. They're Chinese by the way, not Arabic.

I remember some pushback on this during the last lot, people saying that the stress of living in a war zone can prematurely age people. I dread to think what living in a war zone does, and I'm aware of my privilege that I'm unlikely ever to have to find out. But I'd be astonished if stressful living conditions cause children to grow, bulk up and get taller.

[JaneyCartmel]

@AlwaysThinkingOfNames

So what does the pope banning contraception have to do with British actions in Africa?

I’m seeking to understand your post but you aren’t explaining this?

[5zeds]

The royal family was originally catholic (pre JamesII) what is your point. Are you saying British Catholic’s aren’t really British?

[MorrisZapp]

This thread isn't about climate change. It's about untenable living conditions in huge parts of the world, the people living there having large families. Lowering the population is the first and most obvious way to address the complex issue, surely.

[5zeds]

Sorry @MorrisZappi was talking about different rates of maturation not the impact of war on development, but I guess that would make you seem older.

[JaneyCartmel]

@5zeds

You are making assumptions there. I do interact with non white people but I don’t count them up and boast about it because I’m not a member of the sneering metropolitan elite. I don’t think I deserve a badge because my grandad fought in the British military and was black, from a former colony.

Your point was?

[AwdBovril]

Refugees are everyone's responsibility. So unless you plan never to need anyone to do anything for you, ever again, not when you're ill, old, lost, lonely, not anything, some people on this thread really need to improve their attitude. Just because some people fuck the world up because they're sociopaths, doesn't mean the rest of us get to because we're selfish.

[JaneyCartmel]

@5zeds

So according to you I hate myself because my Grandad was black?

You seem very confused.

[OnlyFoolsnMothers]

I dont think there is an easy answer...the more Europe welcomes and allows to move through the continent the more people risk that journey...but yes no decent person can see pictures of these people, these children and not feel immense sadness

[5zeds]

I was genuinely interested because I honestly rarely meet people with your sort of attitudes and wondered if they were race based or more focused on immigrants or even more focused on refugees. Please feel free not to answer. Asking questions is not assuming, rather the opposite. (What has the “sneering metropolitan elite” got to do with anything???)

[JaneyCartmel]

@5zeds

Stop making things up. You are making yourself look silly now.

I am aware if British history and am fully aware that the British Royal family WAS catholic. Britain hasn’t been catholic since 1558 though, which is why the pope banning contraception had no impact on British actions in Africa.

[JaneyCartmel]

@5zeds

That’s a lame attempt to save face. You had made assumptions and they were wrong.

You sneer at people who disagree with you and you’ve just made yourself look really stupid.

[5zeds]

Actually catholic priests and schools were spread across Africa (And Asia, Australia and Canada) and certainly were “British”.

[PlanDeRaccordement]

^Lets see. We forced most of Africa to become Christian and then the pope banned contraception. We made them so poor by stealing their resources and destabilising their countries that they had (and some still have) no practical access to health care. So yes. Yes we did.

(that applies to all colonial powers, by the way, not just the British, in the interest of fairness).^

There is a slight problem with your comment. You see, Britain stopped being catholic and following the Pope two centuries before all that colonisation went on. By the time the British got to Africa, Anglican Christianity encouraged contraception. However, the Muslim Sassanid through Ottoman Empires that conquered and colonised almost half of Africa did not allow contraception or women’s rights for that matter.

[5zeds]

yeah that’s what happened

[JaneyCartmel]

@5zeds

You haven’t explained why you think I have a problem with myself, my siblings and cousins for being the grandchildren of a black immigrant?

[JaneyCartmel]

@5zeds

You’ve lost all credibility now. All there for everyone to see.

[SerendipityJane]

This thread isn't about climate change.

I think it's naive in the extreme to try and pretend that climatic changes aren't a driver for mass migrations of peoples. (Actually it's not what I think, but I'm on the naughty step, so have dialled it down).

Unreliable climates lead to inability to farm, leads to a scarcity of resources, leads to famine, leads to unrest, leads to war, leads to refugees. It's a dance as old as time.

[PlanDeRaccordement]

Actually catholic priests and schools were spread across Africa (And Asia, Australia and Canada) and certainly were “British”.

They would be a tiny minority. And you are wrongly assuming that Africa and so on HAD and USED contraception before the British came on the scene. They did not. The vast majority of African countries the British colonised had been under Muslim rule where contraception was forbidden.