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Not to let my kids alone with my dad

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Nightflower · 09/01/2020 18:52

Sorry, this will probably turn into a long post

Backstory... When I was @5 years old my parents and mom's parents had a big argument as a result GP moved away. My parents went to work during the day and I was left alone to go to school/get back, take care of my younger brother and also take care of the chickens, do the dishes and basic cooking on the gas stove as in boiling eggs ( country side in another country if makes any difference)
My dad would beat me if I would forget to collect the chicken eggs, if I would break a plate when doing the dishes, if I was misspelling a word when doing my homework. He took all my dolls one year ( I remember I received a doll each from grandma and my aunt for my birthday, so I only had them for a few months) and set them on fire and made me watch because I didn't tidy up my playing space.
If I talked to mum's parents he would beat me.
When I was @10 my grandma ( dad's mom ) died. Me and my brother were moved with my grandpa in the city so he won't be alone after grandma died.
My parents would have us over weekend. My dad would pick us up Friday after he finished work ( he worked in the city) and dropped us back on Monday morning before school started.
He didn't had the opportunity to beat me any more but then he started to abuse me verbally ... no one would like to be friends with a country girl, they only pretend to be your friends but they talk behind your back. My grades were never satisfactory for him (I was always in top 5 in class)
I slowly started gaining some weight but I was just slightly overweight. Dad started saying stuff like you look like a house/whale. No one would like you, you will end up an old maid, I am ashamed to talk next to you on the street.
When I was diagnosed with POS he laughed in my face and said now you will never have kids.
This go on until I was in high school when I finally confident in my friends about my weekly verbally abuse from dad ( he would lash out at me with all of the above mostly in the car or when alone) .
The few times I told my mum what dad did/said she would see it as an exaggeration or brush it of with the he only says/do so because he cares about you...and until I was @15 yrs old I very stupidly belived it and I was certain that it's my fault some how and I deserved what he was telling me.
That was until my friends told me that he is not right and what he does/says is very wrong.
I was grownup enough to say no to weekly visits back home to my parents, but I still had to spend my holidays there.
Since I moved in the city I contacted my mum's parents and had secret meetings untill dad realised that it's better to let me see/talk to them than me meeting them in secret. I was crap at lying and he and grandpa figure it out. A year or so after that my mom started talking to them - as she wasn't allowed either)
@18 I was at mom's parents when I found out she had a lover. That summer we went all to the sea side -me and my parents and mom's lover and his wife ( sounds like a movie scenario ) ...anyway holiday over, I went back to grandpa and mom,dad and my brother country home.
Next day I got a call from mom, dad beat her up (obviously he figure it out about the affair). I went straight away to the country side and things sort of got out of control when dad got back home from work. I can't remember what exactly but somewhere on the line that I talked back on one of his remarks ( I would usually bow my head down and/or start crying ) and he got upset and said how do I dare to talk back to him after all he has done/sacrificed for me/us. I just let it all out, told him he ruined my childhood, he would always put me down,never happy, never encouraging me, always beatings and insults. I have never seen his so angry in my life. He just lashed at me, slaped me knocking me down on the sofa, and then he kept hitting me. I was pushing him with my legs, and my mom and brother pulling him and we barely managed to get him to stop hitting me. We locked ourself in the living room and spend the night there me, my mom and my brother. Me and mom left the next day ( me to my grandpa and her to her parents)
She wanted divorce and dad initially agreed to it but then he started texting mom ... one message was him begging her to come back the next one threatening her that he will kill me and my brother so she can suffer before killing her and then take his own life. ( when he was @16 he stole his dad's car, had an accident, 2 were killed and he was in a coma for a few months ) and he was telling mom he killed before nothing will stop him doing so again.
...so yeah...mom got back to him.
I refused to talked to him or call him dad ...but mom begged me to be civil with him and talk and call him dad and basically pretend nothing bad ever happened for her sake.
Fast forward @26 years old. I moved to UK, got married and had kids
I talked to dad very very very rare and never more than a few sentences and most of the time I answer with yes/no/maybe. I call him dad but it's just an empty word for me.
He wasn't happy that I moved so far away from home (3h flight), not happy because I married an asian man (this after years of telling me I will die alone without anyone loving me, or having kids and somehow it become unfair for him not to have grandkids from me )
First time I went visiting after having my kids he told me I should had married someone there because my twins look dark (skin) ( to be fair I am european but we have asian ancestors somewhere down the line because me and my dad and his dad are a couple of shade darker than my mom and her family ...and my kids are maybe a shade darker than I am )
Dad called my kids slow and stupid for not walking until after their 1st birthday. My DS is a whimp and a mommy's boy because he likes cuddles. My DD is going to grow up fat like me because she is not skin and bones ( she is just average normal weight for her age). My DS needs a week alone with him ( dad) and he will make sure he will eat all his food or else he will be punished

Now ... my mom still doesn't understand thru what I have been when I was a child, she still tries to defend/find excuses for dad and even if at some point she did agree what he did was wrong she asked me to leave it in the past.
Dad retired last year and since then mom been nagging me to let the kids (3 and a half years old ) to live with them for the summer holidays. She would be at work and the kids alone with dad till she gets back home. Dad got depressed because retirement as he would have nothing to do ( early retirement as he has some health problems) and mom thinks having the kids there would be perfect to keep my dad occupied and insists that dad loves them so much and he misses them and so on.

I would never leave them alone with dad and I can't exactly tell mom I am not letting the kids there over the summer holidays because of him, because she won't understand besides she is adamant that he is a changed man and he loves them very much ( he told me that he needs a week alone to make my DS eat all his food just a few months ago)

Am I BU for not letting my kids spend the holidays alone with my dad?

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Louloulovesyou · 09/01/2020 19:01

Of course you aren't unreasonable. Your father is a really horrible bully of a man. If i was you i wouldn't have any contact. He will only bring sadness, stress, anxiety and fear to your childrens lives. Definitely say no way! You are an adult these are YOUR children, you make the decisions.

pallisers · 09/01/2020 19:05

Not only would I not let my children alone with him, I wouldn't let them anywhere near him and I wouldn't put myself through it either. Why are you visiting him? Why do you give a single shit what your mum thinks? Think of what she let happen to you as a child?

Whynosnowyet · 09/01/2020 19:05

Op you do not owe him any sort of relationship never mind offering up your dc for sacrificing..

Nightflower · 09/01/2020 19:05

I believe that dad just brainwashed mom and when I hear her talking about him or better yet in the scenario he will get ill and die.. she is afraid everything around her will colapse. Dad is the one paying the bills, buying appliances and she is literally scared that the power will be cut off because she don't know where to pay the bills, or change a light bulb, or call the plummer in case something is wrong.
He cut her contact with her friends and relatives slowly over the year since they got married. No one visits, she has no friends and pushed away all relatives , even contact with neighbours been cut out. It sometimes baffles me how a woman otherwise capable and smart would be so much under control when it comes to dad.

That being said, I have a good relationship with her despite everything ( before my blindfold fall off, back when I believed everything was my fault and listen to whatever dad was saying I didn't had a good relationship with mom because dad always portrait her in a bad light) I feel sorry that she won't enjoy time with her grandkids, and that my grandma and grandma can't see my kids, and the rest of uncles and aunts... If dad was out of the picture I would gladly visit more, let kids over the summer with mom ( when she will retire in a few years)

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Provincialbelle · 09/01/2020 19:06

This man would never ever be allowed near my children, or me for that matter.

NoCleanClothes · 09/01/2020 19:08

I wouldn't have any relationship with him at all, he sounds like a vindictive bully. I certainly wouldn't have him near my kids.

katy1213 · 09/01/2020 19:09

Why would you even consider this? Tell your mother straight out that your children won't be spending any time there and he's the reason why. (But why would anyone send three-year-olds away for a summer, anyway? they're not toys to be hired out. )

NellieEllie · 09/01/2020 19:10

Crikey mikey! No, no, no! Do NOT leave your children with your father. He is a violent bully and abuser. I cannot see, given what he has done to you, the things he has said, and the things he is saying about his grandchildren already, that his presence in their lives will be anything other than toxic. Your children must NOT see you being treated badly by him, and you must protect them from him. If your DM doesn’t understand that is a shame, but ultimately, she has made her choice to stay with him.
How does your DH feel about it? I do hope he has your back, knows how foul your DF has been. I can’t imagine him agreeing to his DCs being with this monster if he knows what has gone on?

LolalolaLola · 09/01/2020 19:15

I think you would be unreasonable if you ever inflicted this man upon your children I wouldn't let him have ANY contact with them, never mind anything more.

Soundbyte · 09/01/2020 19:16

You already know the answer to this don’t you. You feel bad about your mum missing out and I understand that, but she made her choice years ago and she chose your father. You can’t change that or put your children in the firing line to please them. I’m sorry you had to endure all of this, I wish you well for the future. Stay strong 💪

mbosnz · 09/01/2020 19:20

Please, please, please, do not leave your children at this man's mercy.

I've been the kid that was sent to faaaaamily for holidays - because it suited the adults, not because it was safe, happy, or fun for me.

Didn't go so well.

Your duty is to your children - to keep them physically and emotionally safe - at pretty much all costs. Your father is an abuser, your mother an enabler. If you choose to continue to expose yourself to these people, that's one thing, but not your children. Never your children.

And your Mom might think he's a changed man - she wants if not needs to think he's a changed man - for many reasons, not least to enable her to pretend that what happened to you was not that bad, and anyways, he's not like that anymore.

Nightflower · 09/01/2020 19:20

DH has my back. He doesn't want them alone with them based on my past with dad but has no objection to mom or the rest of the family. We only visited them 2 times and when we visit we stay at my grandpa's and we get ourselves immersed into a busy schedule visiting friends/relatives. I think our longest visit was for 10 days and spend maybe 3 with my parents while visiting my grandparents and uncles/aunts

The thing with dad that he is so very normal when anyone else is around, if you would see/talk to him he seems very agreeable and smart. He makes jokes and have very deep/intelligent conversations with him, even his voice tone changes.
But then he talks behind the back, complains about this and that and how awful it was for him to stay and have a conversation and how by far he is in so many ways superior/smarter than whomever he talked to. You would be none the wiser about the real him, his acting skills are A+

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jackstini · 09/01/2020 19:21

No!!!!
He has ruined enough childhoods and other lives
Well done for getting mostly out of it but honestly I would be going non contact with your Dad and very low contact with your Mum

Kids would not be allowed anywhere near him, never mind staying there!

So, so sorry you had such an awful childhood. Don't let your kids experience even a minute of that miserable, horrible, abusive man

Purpleartichoke · 09/01/2020 19:29

My father was horrible during my childhood.
He has since sought psychiatric help and largely dealt with his addiction issues and is much better behaved and therefore I feel comfortable having a relationship with him.

He has never been alone with my child and will never be alone with my child. I’m not sure he realizes that because I have not stated it explicitly, I just make sure myself or my husband is always present. I may have forgiven him, but I will never forget and I will never allow my own child to be in a position where there is even a chance she experiences what I did.

Thehop · 09/01/2020 19:35

I would never forgive this and I’d cut contact with no guilt at all.

MrsBobDylan · 09/01/2020 19:36

Look, you need to recognise that both your parents are abusive. They both caused you pain and suffering intentionally.

It doesn't matter if your Mum won't accept that your Dad was abusive. He was and it is in her interests to skew the truth as she failed to protect you.

I would cut contact. They add nothing to your life and you would be neglectful to allow your dc to have anything to do with them imo.

NotEverythingIsBlackandwhite · 09/01/2020 19:36

YANBU and you can and should tell your mum you aren't letting them go there for the holidays because of your dad.

How can she say he is a changed man when she didn't even seem to accept he behaved as you said?

You can't change what you have experienced but you can damn well stop it happening to your children. If your dad is depressed and has nothing to do that is not your problem. Your mum is there for him and can help him access help if he needs it for his mental health.

What about you? Have you received counselling for the issues you've experienced throughout your life? Are you okay? You need to be so that you can bring your children up without issues.

carly2803 · 09/01/2020 19:41

i would not even see him again to be honest. I absolutely would not let him near my kids,look at them or talk to them. You have to protect them

what a vile vile bully of a man

Nightflower · 09/01/2020 19:42

Mom helped me and supported me when I moved here 4 yrs ago, she still does, if it's not money it's stuff for the kids.
We are doing good now and I told her she spends way too much and really there's no need at all, but she insists and sends stuff and/or money anyway. She told me it's gives her pleasure to do things for her grandkids and she will always have my back and support me ( clearly not when it's about dad )
She does tries to mentally blackmail me, I guess is somewhat effective since I feel sorry for her not being able to see her grandkids. Also my grandpa who practically raised me is getting really old and his health is deteriorating, so I would love for him to spend some time with his greatgrandkids before it's too late, same applies to my grandma.
I told my mom that nothing stops her from visiting us. Dad can't travel because of heart problems so at least from that point of view all is good.... but my grandparents can't travel.
Me and DH have a good relation, we have our small differences but nothing is perfect. I mean the biggest "argument" we had was about braiding my daughters hair wet before bed. We just talk and do things together. He has more patience than I do and even if I am stressed or upset he calms me down. We haven't...yet...went to bed upset on eachother about something.
Mom thinks that I am hidding stuff, that I don't tell her the truth about me and DH , she is somehow always expecting somethin to go wrong with our relationship.
And I do not want to pack and send my kids away. Mom invited us over there. She said that me and my husband to stay in the city and enjoy time together and do what we want and they will take care of the kids ( as in normally GPs are the ones who take care of the kids while parents are on holiday, as her friends do , she sees it as the normal thing would have happend if I was living with them and married with someone from the village )
As for my dad ... I grew a backbone and I shut him off when he starts to comment about me or my kids. I don't know if i am fearless because of my kids or because he doesn't have power over me anymore ..or both. But now

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Youthgonemild · 09/01/2020 19:47

Your Mum is as much at fault here as your Dad. If I were you I’d let neither of them near you or your kids ever again!!

Your Mum should have stood up for you, but didn’t to keep her own life easy.
Your Dad should never have behaved that way, but he did.

If ever there was a case for going NC this is it.

I’m so sorry you had to go through all of that, but please protect your kids and keep them away from them both Flowers

GabriellaMontez · 09/01/2020 19:49

I wouldn't even leave them in the room with him while I went to the toilet. Which means I probably wouldn't even visit on my own. And I wouldn't trust your mum.

mbosnz · 09/01/2020 19:50

No, please, if you go visit, don't leave your children alone with your parents. Your father is an abuser, your mother is an enabler. They are not safe. How bad would you feel, if somewhere down the line, you had to hear from your child, 'Grandad did this to me. Grandma let him.' How would that impact on your relationship with your DH (who sounds bloody marvellous by the way!).

Guilt towards the older generation is not the first priority here. Keeping your children safe from a known danger is.

clairefrasier · 09/01/2020 19:59

Omg no yanbu - please don’t leave your kids with your Dad. Avoid him! He abused all of you and he will do it to your kids too, Your mum can’t see the truth as she is still in abusive relationship and has been manipulated by him. You have to put your kids before everything else, even in front if your mums requests.

Nightflower · 09/01/2020 20:05

I did had help, I was at a very dangerous low @19 years old and I knew that if I don't get help I would do something stupid.
I had seen a psychologist and been a while on antidepressants. It help me a lot hearing it from someone professional that I am not imagining things or me being the cause of problems. Also had low contact with mom and dad during my counselling ( which again helped a lot) and after a few months I was good to go so to say.
I only visited for Easter/Xmas and mostly just messages with mom. That lasted until I moved away, and I only had contact with mom thru WhatsApp,except our 2 visits there and her 4 visits here ( short period of time just over a week every time)
Also seen a special here because I mentioned to my GP that I had an abusive father and he wanted to make sure it didn't had an impact on me that could impact my kids.
I love my kids to bits and I would rather burn alive than do them any harm.
Even if dad wouldn't hit them, he is still toxic and I know words can do so much harm. I can not trust him no matter what to be left alone with my kids.
I always made sure that someone is around with my kids if dad is around as well either me or my husband or my brother and mom.
When we visited aunts/uncles (mom's side of the family as dad has no contact with any of his relatives ) dad usually goes to another room or goes out for a walk as he can't stand to be @mom's family for more than 5 minutes
I feel that if I tell mum about the reason why we don't want to visit/let the kids with her she will be heartbroken and she will come with the the BS of they always helped and how dad loves them and me and all the sacrifices they made ( she really tries her best to put dad into it when it should be she help, she loves us/me, she made sacrifice)
My kids love her and they are very happy to be around her. They don't like my dad, and I think that says a lot, I think children can sense the true colors of my dad no matter how much he pretends to like them.

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Chottie · 09/01/2020 20:06

No, no, no x 1000 times.

Please do not leave your children with your father. Do you want them to have your childhood?

You are not responsible for your father being bored in retirement and your children are not there to 'fill' this gap. Your father is an abuser, do not listen to your mother. Follow your instincts and protect your children.

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