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Not to let my kids alone with my dad

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Nightflower · 09/01/2020 18:52

Sorry, this will probably turn into a long post

Backstory... When I was @5 years old my parents and mom's parents had a big argument as a result GP moved away. My parents went to work during the day and I was left alone to go to school/get back, take care of my younger brother and also take care of the chickens, do the dishes and basic cooking on the gas stove as in boiling eggs ( country side in another country if makes any difference)
My dad would beat me if I would forget to collect the chicken eggs, if I would break a plate when doing the dishes, if I was misspelling a word when doing my homework. He took all my dolls one year ( I remember I received a doll each from grandma and my aunt for my birthday, so I only had them for a few months) and set them on fire and made me watch because I didn't tidy up my playing space.
If I talked to mum's parents he would beat me.
When I was @10 my grandma ( dad's mom ) died. Me and my brother were moved with my grandpa in the city so he won't be alone after grandma died.
My parents would have us over weekend. My dad would pick us up Friday after he finished work ( he worked in the city) and dropped us back on Monday morning before school started.
He didn't had the opportunity to beat me any more but then he started to abuse me verbally ... no one would like to be friends with a country girl, they only pretend to be your friends but they talk behind your back. My grades were never satisfactory for him (I was always in top 5 in class)
I slowly started gaining some weight but I was just slightly overweight. Dad started saying stuff like you look like a house/whale. No one would like you, you will end up an old maid, I am ashamed to talk next to you on the street.
When I was diagnosed with POS he laughed in my face and said now you will never have kids.
This go on until I was in high school when I finally confident in my friends about my weekly verbally abuse from dad ( he would lash out at me with all of the above mostly in the car or when alone) .
The few times I told my mum what dad did/said she would see it as an exaggeration or brush it of with the he only says/do so because he cares about you...and until I was @15 yrs old I very stupidly belived it and I was certain that it's my fault some how and I deserved what he was telling me.
That was until my friends told me that he is not right and what he does/says is very wrong.
I was grownup enough to say no to weekly visits back home to my parents, but I still had to spend my holidays there.
Since I moved in the city I contacted my mum's parents and had secret meetings untill dad realised that it's better to let me see/talk to them than me meeting them in secret. I was crap at lying and he and grandpa figure it out. A year or so after that my mom started talking to them - as she wasn't allowed either)
@18 I was at mom's parents when I found out she had a lover. That summer we went all to the sea side -me and my parents and mom's lover and his wife ( sounds like a movie scenario ) ...anyway holiday over, I went back to grandpa and mom,dad and my brother country home.
Next day I got a call from mom, dad beat her up (obviously he figure it out about the affair). I went straight away to the country side and things sort of got out of control when dad got back home from work. I can't remember what exactly but somewhere on the line that I talked back on one of his remarks ( I would usually bow my head down and/or start crying ) and he got upset and said how do I dare to talk back to him after all he has done/sacrificed for me/us. I just let it all out, told him he ruined my childhood, he would always put me down,never happy, never encouraging me, always beatings and insults. I have never seen his so angry in my life. He just lashed at me, slaped me knocking me down on the sofa, and then he kept hitting me. I was pushing him with my legs, and my mom and brother pulling him and we barely managed to get him to stop hitting me. We locked ourself in the living room and spend the night there me, my mom and my brother. Me and mom left the next day ( me to my grandpa and her to her parents)
She wanted divorce and dad initially agreed to it but then he started texting mom ... one message was him begging her to come back the next one threatening her that he will kill me and my brother so she can suffer before killing her and then take his own life. ( when he was @16 he stole his dad's car, had an accident, 2 were killed and he was in a coma for a few months ) and he was telling mom he killed before nothing will stop him doing so again.
...so yeah...mom got back to him.
I refused to talked to him or call him dad ...but mom begged me to be civil with him and talk and call him dad and basically pretend nothing bad ever happened for her sake.
Fast forward @26 years old. I moved to UK, got married and had kids
I talked to dad very very very rare and never more than a few sentences and most of the time I answer with yes/no/maybe. I call him dad but it's just an empty word for me.
He wasn't happy that I moved so far away from home (3h flight), not happy because I married an asian man (this after years of telling me I will die alone without anyone loving me, or having kids and somehow it become unfair for him not to have grandkids from me )
First time I went visiting after having my kids he told me I should had married someone there because my twins look dark (skin) ( to be fair I am european but we have asian ancestors somewhere down the line because me and my dad and his dad are a couple of shade darker than my mom and her family ...and my kids are maybe a shade darker than I am )
Dad called my kids slow and stupid for not walking until after their 1st birthday. My DS is a whimp and a mommy's boy because he likes cuddles. My DD is going to grow up fat like me because she is not skin and bones ( she is just average normal weight for her age). My DS needs a week alone with him ( dad) and he will make sure he will eat all his food or else he will be punished

Now ... my mom still doesn't understand thru what I have been when I was a child, she still tries to defend/find excuses for dad and even if at some point she did agree what he did was wrong she asked me to leave it in the past.
Dad retired last year and since then mom been nagging me to let the kids (3 and a half years old ) to live with them for the summer holidays. She would be at work and the kids alone with dad till she gets back home. Dad got depressed because retirement as he would have nothing to do ( early retirement as he has some health problems) and mom thinks having the kids there would be perfect to keep my dad occupied and insists that dad loves them so much and he misses them and so on.

I would never leave them alone with dad and I can't exactly tell mom I am not letting the kids there over the summer holidays because of him, because she won't understand besides she is adamant that he is a changed man and he loves them very much ( he told me that he needs a week alone to make my DS eat all his food just a few months ago)

Am I BU for not letting my kids spend the holidays alone with my dad?

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messolini9 · 09/01/2020 23:05

OP - you are an astonishing young woman & you are going to get even wiser & stronger as you grow. All the very best to you Flowers Wine

converseandjeans · 09/01/2020 23:10

I wouldn't let them see him at all even with someone else present. Please cut him off. He sounds horrible.

Forgotmyfrosties · 10/01/2020 00:57

You are an incredible person, please look after yourself and your kids, build a life for yourselves away from heartache, pain and torture, your childhood was scarred, don’t allow your adult life to be scarred too.

My mum was badly beaten, we would go visit grandparents and although I’d be in bed I’d hear crying and tense conversations going over why my mum was abused, there was never any answers, just excuses and diversions. My mum still to this day has nightmares and flashbacks, she will wake up in her sleep crying. I want my mum to sort herself out, brains can be reprogrammed, I was glad when her Dad died to give her the opportunity to start over.

Please don’t get sucked into another cycle of pain with your children. Give them the chance to live their best lives.

Nightflower · 10/01/2020 00:59

Thank you all for your replies. I have little to no contact with him and if I would never see him again it would make me happy. Unless he flies over here which is pretty unlikely in his condition (heart problems) it will be NC.
I would rather spend my money on family trips as in me DH and DCs than go see him. Which is what I am planning already to do.
If mom wants to come and visit us that's fine, but if she wants us the visit...she can keep waiting.
I don't have feelings for dad...I used to be angry and wished bad things should happen to him so he would feel some of the pain he caused, but he really is not worth it. He doesn't deserve my energy and my time and most certainly I have better things to occupy my mind with.
The moment I realized what kind of ..person.. he is and I didn't considered him my dad any more, I felt like this huge burden was taken off my shoulders and I never felt so at peace. He is ...no one... I feel more compassion and understanding for a stranger and he is not even that.
I know that clinging to the past it's a heavy thing to carry and the only thing that still links me to it is my mom. I hope for the sake of our relation and her gds she will understand not to mention him again or worse try to push him into my/our lifes.
I can't change the past or forget what happen, but I can change the present and future for me and my kids ( as cheesy at it might sound) and he is not part of it.
Looking back at it all ... the least I can do is learn from it and maybe the me from today it's a testimony that he didn't break me and I am stronger than I think.
I think this thread is the last "attention" he will get from me.

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Rosspoldarkssaddle · 10/01/2020 01:54

Try and get your mum over. You could stay with your grandpa and only visit your mums family. If she wants to see them she can attend then at least he will fuck off during the visit. I would not step foot in their house ever again until he dies. He has not changed, he has just gaslighted your mother into believing it. I don't even think she does which is why she over compensates with gifts and money.
If she asks again, put on your firm voice and tell her your kids will never be allowed to stay with her while he is still in the picture. You will not subject them to the same physical and mental abuse as you and she have suffered. HE HAS NOT CHANGED and he has shown this during your last visit with yet more verbal abuse towards your children.

Newname1978 · 10/01/2020 04:26

You should not even consider letting your children near him

Pixxie7 · 10/01/2020 05:19

I am so sorry you have had to go through such an awful childhood. You clearly don’t want the same for your kids. I can understand that you want a relationship with your mum and think you should do. However regarding you father he sounds like an appalling person. Keep your kids safe don’t give him a chance to damage them and ensure that your mum realises that any contact with her is strictly on your terms. Stay safe.

Mummyoflittledragon · 10/01/2020 05:56

I think you shouldn’t leave your dcs alone with your mum, let alone your dad. You cannot guarantee that he won’t come when you’re not around. That should include your home - if she visits. He may just decide to fly over on the pretext he’s missing your mother despite his health issues.

Congratulations on breaking free from his abuse.

Geschwister4 · 10/01/2020 06:41

How is your relationship with your brother? Did your dad treat him the same way? Do you visit him at all when you go home?

Nightflower · 10/01/2020 09:40

Unfortunately my grandpa is in my parents care, so it would be out of the question to visit him without dad being there.
I lived with my grandpa in the city until I moved here and he's been on his own for a couple of years but then his heath deteriorated quite a bit and now he is mostly bed bound. He can walk, but barely and just for a short distance with help ( a walking frame).
My uncle( his other son) cut contact with my grandpa once his health went downhill. My grandpa was a source of income for my uncle and that stopped. He had/has his own job but he kept milking my grandpa.
There's no other family so my parents take care of grandpa. I don't think they are bound by duty rather than just the clause in his will to take care of him in order to inherit, but they do feed/wash/take care of his meds. He mostly eats and sleep and sometimes watches tv.
I feel that I sort of deserted him when he needs me the most. He was in a good condition when I left, getting old, but he was on his feet and be able to take care of himself.
I've been told that he deteriorated because I left and he was heartbroken.
He was supportive of me going, he told me he lived his life and now it's time for me to live mine but even with his blessings I feel that I let him down somehow.

Me and my brother have a good relation. We had a rocky start. He never got my treatment from dad. When we were little if DB would do something "bad", dad would punish me because my brother was younger ( a year and a half difference) and I was the eldest and I should had taken care of my brother, or something along that line.
Dad beat him 2-3 times and that was when DB was early teen and he did something "very bad" for example he went to a judo class preview straight from school without telling anyone and got back home late evening and dad was furious after DB went missing for half a day. Another time was dad found out my DB is smoking, and the other time something again with my brother leaving without telling where and staying out until late...but that's it.
DB always had lower grades than me, if I was in the top 5, he was in the last 5, but dad would never say to him he is stupid or won't do anything with his life or punish him for having a grade lower than 7 (out of 10 ). The only thing my dad would try to pick on him was his weight. If I was the "cow" my brother was the "toothpick", but my brother would just ignore/wouldn't care.
My mom would buy him more expensive presents or he would have friends over for his bd. I didn't had friends over for bd till I was 18.
If mom would buy him some brand clothes for his bd and I would point that out she would say but you have more than him, and indeed I would get socks, some toiletries and a piece of clothing from the market.
Everytime I would bring it up she just shrug it off and said is just my impression that he is treated differently and she loves us the same.
I don't talk a lot with DB but he would be there for me if needed. We had our silly sibling argumets until we were both mature enough and since then it's all right, I know I can count on him.
DB doesn't have the same resentment I had about dad, I mean dad gave him no reasons but he knows the pain dad inflicted on me and he knows/recognise that what dad did was very wrong.
DB went back living with my parents after finishing high school while I stayed with my grandpa and went to university and then a job.
DB doesn't spend a lot of time @my parents. He gets out with his friends when he comes from work and weekend but it will help them with work around the garden. He visited grandpa since I left, doing his shopping and bringing food mom cooked, also cleaning the apartment and washing grandpa when his health went downhill, before he agreed to come live with my parents ( needles to say that grandpa didn't want to live with dad or mom for the matter until he had no other choice)

Mom is very ..ermm..strict with her cleaning. I would stress when she visited me and grandpa ( or now me and my husband). You can hoover just a min before she comes and she would say "gosh this place haven't been cleaned in months" and the she would start doing it herself.
The first time she visited us, in the morning we found her in the kitchen with a pile of dishes and pans next to her, she was washing it "the right way, because obviously they haven't been cleaned properly " ... put my husband off. Itold her off and now she actes like she can't even wash her coffee cup or it would offend us.
Back home she would work in the house and the garden and wouldn't stay put. She had a spinal surgery a good 10 years ago, but she didn't took care of her health, as in take it easy no heavy lifting and stuff like that... but she would work until would be too painful to stand.
I keep telling her that no one is pitting a gun to hear head to do it all, that she can clean or plant tomatoes over several days, doesn't has to be same day, but she says things aren't going to get done by magic and she can't live in filth. So my grandpa wasn't keen to live with her and her standards.

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