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To not know how to advise my friend. Is this gaslighting?

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Witchofzog · 08/01/2020 17:12

She has been in a relationship with someone for a good few years. They have had their ups and downs but some of the things he has done have been a little odd and she has queried whether he is undiagnosed aspergers for a few different reasons. She has always said that although he can be thoughtless he isn't a bad person but lately has started to question this and was on tears over the phone last night feeling that she is losing her mind over small things. I don't know what to advise for her. The examples she gave me were

When they first moved in together he didn't realise that if he goes to get a drink or fetches himself something, it would be polite and nice to offer the same to her. They argued about this a lot. She admitted that he will often come into the room with something for himself and another for her but the one for her will be hidden up his sleeve or somewhere. He will start to eat whatever it is and will wait for her to say something and then take it out and say she is always on his case and he has done nothing wrong.

He plays football and watches football a lot. They don't spend a huge amount of time together and she has often said that she feels a low priority. If they plan a night together he will often turn round and say he is going to football and go out the door as though he is leaving when he isn't to provoke a reaction.

An ex of his has sent inappropriate messages on and off for a long time. I have seen screen shots of these and although he doesn't actively encourage it, he still replies to her. My friend feels he should not be in touch with her at all as her messages are often about their sex life and hinting that she would be up for more if he took the bait. He had a nickname for her which he still refers to her as and this nickname was about her skills in the bedroom. If his phone rings he will sometimes say "Oh that's just ex nickname" or will say he is just going to text ex nickname when of course it isn't her calling and he isn't texting her. Again all for a reaction. And then my friend gets told she is over reacting and being silly when she gets annoyed at him.

I feel that this behaviour is now actually quite sinister. Its like he enjoys riling her just to make her feel stupid afterwards and she deserves better. I told her so yesterday and she said he isn't a bad person. Just a thoughtless one with a skewed sense of humour. But I think he is harming her mental health and that this could be gaslighting. Can anyone tell me if it is and what I can do to advise her? Or if it isn't then tell me what it is instead

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thejollyroger · 08/01/2020 17:15

Does it matter? It’s not nice.

Witchofzog · 08/01/2020 17:16

Oh please vote Yanbu for gaslighting and yabu for harmless idiot

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MuchBetterNow · 08/01/2020 17:17

He's an arsehole but that's not gaslighting.

cardibach · 08/01/2020 17:18

It’s neither gaslighting or being a harmless idiot. He’s a goady fucker.

Witchofzog · 08/01/2020 17:18

Its just that there isn't really a name for what he does and she herself can't define it either. Its not like he is calling her names or hitting her or stealing her money. But he is still harming her. And she isn't as bubbly as she used to be and is a lot more tearful/ sensitive

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Witchofzog · 08/01/2020 17:20

Goady fucker. That's exactly it. She has told him that surely there is no benefit to him to joke about the things they have argued about in the past but apparently he just doesn't get it

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thejollyroger · 08/01/2020 17:21

He’s being thoughtless, provocative and selfish. Does it need a name?

MuchBetterNow · 08/01/2020 17:21

There doesn't have to be a "name" or a "condition" for every behaviour ffs. He's a selfish prick and she's needing to leave him. Pretty simple really.

messolini9 · 08/01/2020 17:22

Or if it isn't then tell me what it is instead

If it's as constant as it sounds, it's an unequal relationship where your friend is being treated poorly.

Whether it's gaslighting or not is immaterial.
Your friend's sad justification of his behaviour is horribly familiar though. "Oh he's a good person ..." except when he is being a goady, manipulative fucker of course.

He sounds the type who would tease a dog with snacks, seeking an excuse to unfairly berate the dog for drooling or snatching.

The best gift you can give your friend is this - www.docdroid.net/py03/why-does-he-do-that.pdf

  • plus your time & attention as she works out exactly what it is she is co-habiting with, & makes appropriate decisions based on that information.
LuluBellaBlue · 08/01/2020 17:22

I’d say it’s being antagonist and immature- both qualities which I can’t stand!

Plumbus · 08/01/2020 17:25

And she isn't as bubbly as she used to be and is a lot more tearful/ sensitive

So tell her to leave him. Regardless of the term one may wish to apply to the behaviour, it's clearly upsetting her.

Innocentinfamy · 08/01/2020 17:25

There is a name for it.
It's called being a Total Twat.
Honestly could not be arsed with that.

AryaStarkWolf · 08/01/2020 17:25

He clearly gets pleasure from annoying her and making her feel insecure, that's not a person who has her back and loves her.

Flymetothetoon · 08/01/2020 17:25

I've a name for him TWAT!
Ugh he sounds vile.

Flymetothetoon · 08/01/2020 17:27

Cross post with @ Inocentafamy

Witchofzog · 08/01/2020 17:28

I think he does get pleasure from it. She has spelled it out to him countless times and he says he doesn't mean it in a bad way and it's just a joke. But yet he still dies it. She definitely needs to leave him. I have thought this for a while now

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RubaiyatOfAnyone · 08/01/2020 17:29

He sounds like a dick.
Not sure that needs pathologising.

scautish · 08/01/2020 17:29

Why does someone behaving like a complete twat have to be “undiagnosed Asperger’s”. Your friend is a twat for spouting this shite but she is also going out with a twat too.

Being a twat doesn’t mean you are autistic. It means you are a twat.

Why do so many people on MN feel it is OK to continually bash autistic people. It’s actually really hurtful.

inwood · 08/01/2020 17:31

It's not gaslighting, he's being a complete dick.

Witchofzog · 08/01/2020 17:32

Like I said, it's not that it needs a name persay but it's that she doesn't know how to explain it and feels she is making a fuss over small issues. When challenged he says things like "What a fuss over a bit of chocolate" or "You are too serious sometimes. Lighten up. I am only joking" At least if she knows she can seek help. I am going to send her that link too @messolini9 thank you

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ohwheniknow · 08/01/2020 17:32

It's not about being a bad person, it's about making bad choices in how he treats her. Nobody is all bad or all good anyway.

There's not really enough info on everything going on to be certain but the impact you're seeing in her is very concerning. Before you speak to your friend about this again I'd recommend having a read of the advice here, especially about how to approach talking to her:

www.womensaid.org.uk/the-survivors-handbook/im-worried-about-someone-else/

My concern would be that if he's as abusive/controlling as he appears to have the potential to be (esp from her reaction) you might inadvertently push her closer to him and leave her isolated.

Rather than telling her what you think maybe stick to questions to give her opportunities to reflect and share without feeling you're judging her for loving/choosing him. So... How did she feel when he did x? Why does she think he does that? Etc. Calm, neutral.

If she's dismissing herself or saying she's overreacting or crazy offer validation. "If someone did that to me I'd be pretty upset too"... "I don't think you're crazy"... "I've never known you forget things like that with me"...

Witchofzog · 08/01/2020 17:34

Its not this behaviour that has made her think aspergers @scautish. Its other things and traits he has. She attributes this behaviour solely to a warped sense of humour. No offence was intended - I was just giving some background

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ohwheniknow · 08/01/2020 17:35

Oh, and I think it's ok to observe when she's saying "it's petty" that it's about the big picture not the tiny fragments of that picture.

A single papercut isn't too big a deal, a thousand papercuts is a whole different matter...

Another place that may be helpful to either/both of you if/when she's ready: www.freedomprogramme.co.uk

Witchofzog · 08/01/2020 17:37

@ohwheniknow that is very good advice. I lost another friend years ago to a really abusive guy and although I was never judgemental, sometimes it was hard to know what to say. Eventually he moved her miles away and she stopped talking to all her friends. This will be very helpful - thsnk you

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Rainbowqueeen · 08/01/2020 17:37

If you need a name for his behaviour, bullying is the closest thing I can think of. How nasty.

If she’s raised it several times and he just dismisses her concerns by saying he is joking then he has no intention of changing and doesn’t care how she feels. She deserves better than that

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