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To not know how to advise my friend. Is this gaslighting?

61 replies

Witchofzog · 08/01/2020 17:12

She has been in a relationship with someone for a good few years. They have had their ups and downs but some of the things he has done have been a little odd and she has queried whether he is undiagnosed aspergers for a few different reasons. She has always said that although he can be thoughtless he isn't a bad person but lately has started to question this and was on tears over the phone last night feeling that she is losing her mind over small things. I don't know what to advise for her. The examples she gave me were

When they first moved in together he didn't realise that if he goes to get a drink or fetches himself something, it would be polite and nice to offer the same to her. They argued about this a lot. She admitted that he will often come into the room with something for himself and another for her but the one for her will be hidden up his sleeve or somewhere. He will start to eat whatever it is and will wait for her to say something and then take it out and say she is always on his case and he has done nothing wrong.

He plays football and watches football a lot. They don't spend a huge amount of time together and she has often said that she feels a low priority. If they plan a night together he will often turn round and say he is going to football and go out the door as though he is leaving when he isn't to provoke a reaction.

An ex of his has sent inappropriate messages on and off for a long time. I have seen screen shots of these and although he doesn't actively encourage it, he still replies to her. My friend feels he should not be in touch with her at all as her messages are often about their sex life and hinting that she would be up for more if he took the bait. He had a nickname for her which he still refers to her as and this nickname was about her skills in the bedroom. If his phone rings he will sometimes say "Oh that's just ex nickname" or will say he is just going to text ex nickname when of course it isn't her calling and he isn't texting her. Again all for a reaction. And then my friend gets told she is over reacting and being silly when she gets annoyed at him.

I feel that this behaviour is now actually quite sinister. Its like he enjoys riling her just to make her feel stupid afterwards and she deserves better. I told her so yesterday and she said he isn't a bad person. Just a thoughtless one with a skewed sense of humour. But I think he is harming her mental health and that this could be gaslighting. Can anyone tell me if it is and what I can do to advise her? Or if it isn't then tell me what it is instead

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PuppyMonkey · 08/01/2020 17:38

I’d just call it “belittling” or something if she needs to explain it. What an unpleasant character he sounds.

Krazynights34 · 08/01/2020 17:39

He’s a complete arse. That’s what it is.

Scautish · 08/01/2020 17:43

Well if it’s not this behaviour that is leading her to think he is autistic, why did you mention it at all?

You said he is odd and your friend (presumably not a psychologist) thinks he has Asperger’s. So even if these specific behaviours are not relevant to Asperger’s, you have still thrown this in in a pejorative way. It is also quite offensive to equate odd behaviour with autism.

You may not have intended to offend - but I what you have written, and your friend’s assumptions, are ableist.

Witchofzog · 08/01/2020 17:46

I have apologised @scautish And that was honestly not my intention. I am just here to ask advice for my friend

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Justsaynonow · 08/01/2020 17:48

I'd call it taunting. His behaviour is designed to elicit a reaction, which only HE enjoys. Similar to teasing, but with teasing both "participants" enjoy the interaction.

This was a repeated discussion with my kids when little - teasing vs taunting. A very clear way to determine appropriate vs inappropriate behaviour.

ohwheniknow · 08/01/2020 17:51

It is tough.

picklemepopcorn · 08/01/2020 17:51

He's a spiteful bully. That's all.

Innocentinfamy · 08/01/2020 19:15

I think @Justsaynow pretty much hit the nail on the head there

supersop60 · 08/01/2020 19:22

He's a dick.

Innocentinfamy · 08/01/2020 19:39

Oops! *@Justsaynonow not Justsaynow obvs Blush

Ingridla · 08/01/2020 19:40

He reminds me of how a bf I had in my early 20s used to treat me, 20 years on i now know it was to belittle me so I thought I needed him and he behaved like it as he knew deep,down he wasn't good enough for me, which he definitely wasn't in hindsight. Stupid me put up with it for 7 years. Good me years to rinse my psyche of him,

Frankly it's mildly sadistic, you are her friend, please encourage her to see this as the abuse it is and get her as far away from this cunt as you can. Jeez what is it with some men.

southernbelles · 08/01/2020 19:40

My ex was like this. Weirdly enough of all the horrible things he did I'd sort of forgotten about it until this thread, despite the fact it was one of the most poisonous of his abusive behaviours at the time. He would always make out that I was overreacting so it was me with the problem. I could tell he genuinely enjoyed having the power to provoke a negative reaction, & then give me the cold shoulder for it

southernbelles · 08/01/2020 19:42

I don't think people like that will ever change, it is something fundamentally nasty & skewed in their personality. She would be better off without him!

Ingridla · 08/01/2020 19:42

*took me years to rid

KidCaneGoat · 08/01/2020 19:47

Sounds like bullying. Like the kind of person who would steal someone’s bag at school, throw it around with his mates and then say it was only a joke. Then the person who is upset not only feels upset but also shame because they’re upset. They’re mocked for having a normal reaction to a situation

theemmadilemma · 08/01/2020 20:15

It's constant provocation to get a reaction to call her out on.

It wears you down, it's negative, and it's essentially abusive in my eyes if it's repeated and on purpose.

needanewnamechange · 08/01/2020 20:53

There is a name it's childish dick head . How old he is 12 ?
Sorry but arguing over not getting her a drink or whatever is a bit odd and him winding her up over it Hmm.
And it annoys people throwing the gas lighting around google it if your not sure what it means .

Witchofzog · 09/01/2020 08:14

Thank you all for your comments and @southernbelles I am sorry if this thread brought back some bad memories.

@needanewnamechange I have looked up the definition of gaslighting but they vary hugely and a few websites mentioned telling people they are over reacting or crazy when they have deliberately caused the situation which is exactly what my friends partner does. Also it isn't childish to expect your partner to be considerate. If you were say watching a film with your partner or anyone else for that matter, would you really go and make just yourself a cup of tea or something to eat without offering them something too? I find that very selfish behaviour.

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Witchofzog · 09/01/2020 08:19

@needanewnamechange sorry, just realised you called it odd, not childish. But I still don't think consideration is odd.

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Gwilt160981 · 09/01/2020 08:19

She needs to fuck him off. He will bring her down. Her self esteem will be zilch if she stays with him much longer.

Witchofzog · 09/01/2020 08:28

@gwilt I think it already is sadly. She has said she wants to leave before, has even gone to view house to rent but then he gets upset and promises to change then the whole cycle starts again

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Gwilt160981 · 09/01/2020 09:03

@witchofzog so he's Emotionally blackmailing her. She would feel better in time if she got rid of him. Sounds like he's still pining after his ex too. Hope your mate finds it in her to get rid of that waste of space. 👍

OoohTheStatsDontLie · 09/01/2020 09:31

It's not gaslighting as that usually involves a denial of an event or behaviour. He admits it.

He just enjoys winding her up. But its not a joke as it's not clever or witty or funny and no one is laughing. Pretending to be selfish / horrible is just being selfish and horrible.

I was going to say I'd advise her to ask him why he continues to do something that she has said upsets her. Why does he keep playing 'jokes' that upset her? If he told her something she did which had no benefit to her, really upset him, would she keep going?

But actually it sounds like this conversation has happened before and nothing has changed. I'd provide her practical and emotional support if she wanted to leave. Does she really think he will suddenly change into a person that doesnt get pleasure out of winding her up?

She could also trying acting like she doesnt give a shit as that might take away his motivation for these 'jokes' but it might backfire in that he might move on to other nastier things

BrickTop999 · 09/01/2020 09:48

Oh god I was married to one of these ! I swear to god he had too much time on his hands and just loved arguments and drama. Drove me bloody mad. I could always tell when he was spoiling for a fight or to just wind me up with his stupid jokes, teasing.

Like a similar PP above, reading all the things you wrote brought it back for me, but in a good way as I can smile to myself that I divorced the nasty piece of work

morningsarethebest · 09/01/2020 10:03

Hey poster,
I am sorry your friend is going through this, and really glad she's talking to you about it. I just wanted to add that it seems your friend really isn't happy or feeling secure in her relationship - and this is reason enough to question (and possibly end) it. "Being a good person" is not reason to stick with someone if you're unhappy. Even if he "is" a good person (and to be honest I agree with posters who suggest he isn't behaving well), it doesn't mean they are right together or that she has to "stick it out".

It also sounds like she has been ground down over a long time, and might be lacking confidence and self-love, and so questioning what she deep down knows is the answer.

Hope this is helpful in some way...