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To not know how to advise my friend. Is this gaslighting?

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Witchofzog · 08/01/2020 17:12

She has been in a relationship with someone for a good few years. They have had their ups and downs but some of the things he has done have been a little odd and she has queried whether he is undiagnosed aspergers for a few different reasons. She has always said that although he can be thoughtless he isn't a bad person but lately has started to question this and was on tears over the phone last night feeling that she is losing her mind over small things. I don't know what to advise for her. The examples she gave me were

When they first moved in together he didn't realise that if he goes to get a drink or fetches himself something, it would be polite and nice to offer the same to her. They argued about this a lot. She admitted that he will often come into the room with something for himself and another for her but the one for her will be hidden up his sleeve or somewhere. He will start to eat whatever it is and will wait for her to say something and then take it out and say she is always on his case and he has done nothing wrong.

He plays football and watches football a lot. They don't spend a huge amount of time together and she has often said that she feels a low priority. If they plan a night together he will often turn round and say he is going to football and go out the door as though he is leaving when he isn't to provoke a reaction.

An ex of his has sent inappropriate messages on and off for a long time. I have seen screen shots of these and although he doesn't actively encourage it, he still replies to her. My friend feels he should not be in touch with her at all as her messages are often about their sex life and hinting that she would be up for more if he took the bait. He had a nickname for her which he still refers to her as and this nickname was about her skills in the bedroom. If his phone rings he will sometimes say "Oh that's just ex nickname" or will say he is just going to text ex nickname when of course it isn't her calling and he isn't texting her. Again all for a reaction. And then my friend gets told she is over reacting and being silly when she gets annoyed at him.

I feel that this behaviour is now actually quite sinister. Its like he enjoys riling her just to make her feel stupid afterwards and she deserves better. I told her so yesterday and she said he isn't a bad person. Just a thoughtless one with a skewed sense of humour. But I think he is harming her mental health and that this could be gaslighting. Can anyone tell me if it is and what I can do to advise her? Or if it isn't then tell me what it is instead

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justsomethingred · 09/01/2020 10:26

He reminds me of my ex. He is likely on the autistic spectrum (both our DC are and he's very similar) but also a massively abusive twat. He does enjoy hurting people (the abusive bit) and doesn't seem to get that just because it's funny to him it is scary as hell to the recipient (the autistic bit). He is the worst person I've ever met and our DC are not allowed to see him by court, because he was the same to them. He won't change and she needs to LTB.

nowaypose · 09/01/2020 10:28

It’s not gaslighting but he does sound like an obnoxious prick, I’m amazed she’s lasted so long with him especially with the ex stuff.

Zaphodsotherhead · 09/01/2020 10:33

I think she needs to say to him every single time he says 'it's just a joke'

...'it's only a joke if both parties are laughing'.

He's clearly getting a kick out of making her angry or annoyed or upset, and anyone who behaves like that, whatever name you give it, is not a person that is nice to be around. She can leave him with a clear conscience.

Cherrysoup · 09/01/2020 10:37

He's not stopped despite her telling him lots of times that she doesn't find it funny. He's therefore a twat. Telling her she's overacting IS gaslighting.

I know someone who does this to his wife/kids, continuously pokes them, fiddles with their hair, sticks out his tongue with a mouthful of food. I'm sick of them telling him how much they hate it, he still insists on doing it. It drives me nuts. He then tells them they're stupid for 'overreacting'. One of these days, his kids will tell him to fuck off and go lc and he just won't understand why.

Lizzie0869 · 09/01/2020 10:46

I would call it bullying personally. Especially him telling your friend that he's 'only joking'. A joke is only funny if both parties find it so, otherwise it's just plain nasty. This man appears to be a playground bully who never grew up, Hmm

ptumbi · 09/01/2020 11:08

He gets himself something to eat and when she asks why he didn't get her something he 'produces' it out of his sleeve? (or wherever) He is actively looking for, and finding, a stick to beat her with.

I'd fuck him off. She will never be able to relax with him, nor will he want her to!

What a nasty piece of work.

romeoonthebalcony · 09/01/2020 11:21

It's not gaslighting, gaslighting would be to say, for instance, but I bought you a cuppa yesterday/every day this week, why are you making a fuss just this time, (when he hasn't actually done it).

It just sounds unkind, bullying behaviour and like he has contempt for her, and the ex for that matter.

My experience of someone on the spectrum is that, once they are reminded that it would be appreciated if they offered a cup of tea too when they make one themselves, is that they are very happy to do so with no nasty bullying. They just needed reminding that this is what people generally do and NT people might interpret not doing so as selfish or uncaring. They themselves would not be suprised or upset if someone did not do so for them.

Didn't rtft so don't know if they have DC but if they don't I'd advise her to get out of this relationship as it sounds miserable. I guess I'd wonder what went before in her life that led her to think that it is acceptable to put up with this.

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 09/01/2020 12:05

It doesn't matter WHAT the cause is....

It does sound bullying rather than ASD.

I would be encouraging your pal to leave...

Look up freedom programme

And also Lundy book - why does he do that?

Witchofzog · 10/01/2020 08:42

I met her for a coffee yesterday and asked how things were going. She said ok. I explained in a nice way that what he does is not ok if he is making her question her own mental health and that she deserves someone who cherishes her, not who makes her cry. I have sent her the pdf link to Why Does He Do That and I am hoping she reads it and thinks seriously about leaving. He will never change sadly and it's a shame she believes in him

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Sewrainbow · 10/01/2020 08:48

Its neither of your options, but it is nasty bullying behaviour that he minimises when she says she gets upset. She deserves better I'm sure x

millymoo1202 · 10/01/2020 08:50

Nothing wrong with him apart from being a total prick! Tell her to get rid!

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