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AIBU Feeling so disappointed and undervalued

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Sunnytimesahead · 08/01/2020 08:22

I am fully aware this wouldn’t be a big deal to some people and compared to many other people’s really awful situations on here it really pales into insignificance. So please be kind.

I turned 40 this week, I have been feeling low generally after having a tough time. My DH and I had our first round of IVF and at the beginning of December I had a very early miscarriage. I was very upset by it but have gradually come to terms with it. I was fully aware first cycles don’t always work and of course my age is against me.
DH is a good man, but very wrapped up in his own life and focused on his work. He seemed sad about it at first but very quickly seemed to go back to normal and about 2 weeks later said “Oh I keep forgetting about that” meaning the miscarriage, not in a nasty way, just generally he has moved on mentally. We have talked about a second cycle this year and we are hoping to start in a couple of months. He just generally says we’ll try again and that’s that.

This week was my 40th birthday and I hadn’t discussed with him what I wanted. I thought I would just see if he asked what I would like or better still perhaps get me a little surprise. Knowing what we have been through and that I have been down. On previous birthdays he has never taken the initiative or surprised me apart from my 30th when he got some things I wanted plus a balloon and mug with 30 on and made some effort which was nice.
He knows what things I like and I would have been more than happy with a pair of earrings or a real surprise like tickets to a west end show. I really don’t have expensive tastes and just wanted to feel valued and thought about for once.
He gave me a nice card and got us a takeaway for lunch which is what we normally do for a birthday.
This just feels like one issue in a list of issues where we have just turned into friends rather than a married couple. We love each other but we are just not in love with each other, life has just got very much like he does his thing and I do mine.
He is so focused on our retirement, making money for the future and all I can think about is living for now and wanting to make life worthwhile. To me if we can’t have children I can’t visualise a fulfilling retirement at all. I keep telling him this, it falls on deaf ears. I am essentially unhappy with our life together and he doesn’t see this at all. He seems quite happy with his life.
I did tell him I was disappointed that he didn’t get me a present. His face dropped and he said “well you didn’t tell me what you wanted“ (he never asked) and said he’d been busy with work. And he always says my birthday is too close to Christmas. We didn’t bother with Christmas presents this year because of the miscarriage, we just kept it all low key. I said you’ve known about this birthday for a year. I would have liked a little token to show that you have put some thought in. He didn’t really know what to say.
On his birthdays I always ask him if he wants anything, usually he can’t think of anything. So I get him 4 or 5 things to unwrap, things I’ve thought about and think he will like. Nothing too exciting, some clothes and foodie stuff I know he’ll like but a few little surprises to show I’ve thought about him.
AIBU to feel so disappointed and undervalued by this?

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catinb0oots · 08/01/2020 08:24

Oh Sunny your post is so sad. You sound so unhappy. Have you had any counselling associated with the IVF and miscarriage?

Sunnytimesahead · 08/01/2020 08:31

Hi catinb0oots,
I am unhappy, I have tears streaming down my face right now!
I haven’t had any counselling so far but I’m seriously thinking I could do with some in relation to the IVF and miscarriage but also generally.

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RoseyPeas · 08/01/2020 09:45

Hi Sunny

That's very sad about the miscarriage and IVF Flowers

I know from experience that it's best if I plan my birthday to be as I want, otherwise I'm disappointed.

It IS hurtful if he doesn't do anything, but it does sound like for you counseling for miscarriage and IVF might be worth it.

Be kind to yourself FlowersBrewCake

Sunnytimesahead · 08/01/2020 09:54

Hi RoseyPeas,
Thank you for your message.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who has been disappointed by this, generally I would always say what I would like for my birthday but stupidly hoped this year would be different.
After writing this post I have phoned up about counselling this morning, I have realised I really need to talk to someone about everything.x

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caperplips · 08/01/2020 10:16

OP My 40th was a tough time too, similar to yours, we'd had failed fertility treatment and I was battling with an internal demon where I had set 40 as my cut off age for TTC but of course we had not been successful so now had to figure out whether to quit or continue....

I was mentally at a very low point. Coupled with that, my dh had a major disappointment in work with a major deal falling through and tough financial implications from that. So all round tough days.

But what made a difference was that DH insisted that we needed to do something to mark the occasion. We were broke after fertility treatment and his work issues (self employed) but we got cheap tickets to Paris and a tiny hotel near the Eiffel Tower and spent 3 days wandering around in sleet and snow! We kept it all very low key and on the actual day of my birthday we walked thought the city for miles, just wandering, talking, sheltering from the elements in cafes etc. I knew he wanted to go for dinner and I also knew that money was a concern and I also knew that I was really not feeling it at all that year so we had a glass of wine and went back to the hotel to get ready to go out.

I was frozen from being out all day so ran a bath, I was hiding in the bathroom having a little cry (just was miserable) and he found me and we made the decision to stay put and not go out. He went out and came back with the most incredible pizza (still ranks as one of the best I've ever had"!) and a bottle of cheap champagne and we lay in bed with the curtains open looking out at the rooftops of Paris and we really talked about us and what was going on for both of us. And it REALLY helped us reach some decisions about what we wanted to do next - more ivf etc

So this is a very long-winded way of saying that it might be an idea to look up a last min deal for a weeekend break somewhere - city, coastline, lake, forest - whatever takes your fancy and just book it. Take 2 or 3 days to try to reconnect and have the time to try to reconnect and have space and time for talking to each other, and crying and hugging if you can. We found walking holding hands and talking was very good for us.

Counselling when you get back. Don't lose each other in this hellish time, you have to cling onto why you love each other and find each other again of you can. It's really really hard, and infertility and miscarriage are bastards and I wish none of us ever had to go thought it Sad

Sending you birthday hugs Flowers Cake Wine

bsc · 08/01/2020 10:24

Under normal circumstances, you'd laugh this off, but you're still grieving from your miscarriage so that's hard to do. Is there someone you can talk to? A friend who has been through similar maybe?

Sunnytimesahead · 08/01/2020 10:26

Hi caperplips,
Thank you for your lovely message, I’m sorry you have been through the same issues as me.
Unfortunately my DH is nothing like yours! We are not a romantic couple, never had been. Sadly he wouldn't want to go on a weekend away. He won’t even go for a day out in London to see a show!
I feel reconnecting is never going to happen for us sadly.
I’m definitely going for counselling and hope it helps to get my head straight so I can work out what to do next.
40 is a big milestone as you know when TTC and a turning point one way or another.

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Sunnytimesahead · 08/01/2020 10:28

Hi bsc,
Yes you are right, normally I would shrug this off and think that’s just DH, nothing new there. I have a new friend who has been really supportive so that has helped. I don’t feel so alone in that sense but feel very alone in this marriage.

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RUSU92 · 08/01/2020 10:34

Under normal circumstances, you'd laugh this off

I’m not sure that’s true. A husband not doing anything for your 40th because you didn’t tell them what you wanted (and he didn’t ask) is just thoughtless and uncaring.

Your bday being after Xmas might have been a good reason if you’d already spent a lot on each other, but given that you hadn’t, he’s just using it as an excuse.

I’m not sure you do need counselling tbh. The support and advice I’ve been given on here has been just as helpful as the hundreds of pounds I’ve spent on counselling over the years. With the collective wisdom of women from all over the world who’ve been through the same things as you, I’m sure you can find a way through this without having to spend money on it. Especially as you’ll be wanting to save up for your next round of IVF.

I am essentially unhappy with our life together and he doesn’t see this at all. He seems quite happy with his life This is because he’s having his needs met and you are not. Time to start focusing on you. Flowers

caperplips · 08/01/2020 10:35

Oh Sunny I am sorry to hear that. Do you really feel you can never reconnect or could it be that you are low and angry (and absolutely understandably so!) and that laying all your cards on the table and telling him how awful it is and how sad and lonely you feel might jolt him into awareness?

I only suggested going somewhere as it's neutral ground and also frees you from home routine, so less day to day distractions. Our trip was not romantic. It was tough emotionally and sad a lot of the time and I honestly was not sure we would come out the other side of ttcing intact as it takes such a toll and we all deal with it / process it differently. My dh hates to see me sad and has a tendency to 'jolly' things along. I just could not be jollied at that time. It took me refusing to go out and crying in the bath for him to see and for us to actually have a badly needed and uncomfortable heart to heart.

I really feel for you and I hope you have some support somewhere x

Sunnytimesahead · 08/01/2020 11:12

Hi RUSU92,
I appreciate your words. I also feel it’s an excuse, he takes the easy option every time.
You are right about the support on mumsnet. This site has been a lifesaver for me over the past month. It has given me something to focus on as well as loads of advice.
Luckily the counselling will be ’free’ either on NHS or if it’s a longer than 8 week wait my benenden plan will arrange it.
You are so right about having his needs met. He is a straight forward guy, as long as his basic routine is in place, cooked for, clothes washed, work and hobby going well - He is happy. I only wish I was the same.

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Sunnytimesahead · 08/01/2020 11:17

Hi caperplips,
I am feeling like reconnecting is not likely because our marriage has been crumbling for a few years, only he is oblivious to this.
Apologies about saying about the romantic trip, I just know that’s what he would think about a weekend away being not our thing. I understand your break was to have some space and it was the right thing for you to do.
I am quite open with my feelings, when I’m down, etc but for him his life goes on whilst I feel like I’m spiralling downwards and checking out of this marriage.
I am hoping speaking to a counsellor who is neutral will be a good sounding board for me.

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ohprettybaby · 08/01/2020 11:28

I'm so sorry about your miscarriage and understand you are feeling very low about this but why on earth are you considering TTC with a ma you feel this way about:
we have just turned into friends rather than a married couple. We love each other but we are just not in love with each other, life has just got very much like he does his thing and I do mine.
and I feel reconnecting is never going to happen for us sadly.

You need to have a proper talk with him about your relationship as you seem to be at different life stages with him being concerned about retirement and you wanting to start out with parenthood. Does he even want a baby? Is he just going along with this to try and make you happy?

Chocmallows · 08/01/2020 11:29

Many years ago a friend told me that although her DH worked away she knew they were emotionally connected when they spoke, but although I lived with my DH he didn't emotionally support me. It stung and I felt angry towards her. She was spot on though!

I was relaying similar comments to yours when she said it. I stayed with him for another six years. They were cold un-loving years (now happily divorced).

Your relationship sounds like an agreement, but I can understand with IVF lined up that you may want to see if that changes anything. For your wellbeing, find emotional support from other sources.

OneDay10 · 08/01/2020 11:33

Yanbu op. I'm sorry about your MC. I have been there as well. I think your dh has shown you how little he values you, I would be very hurt.
it was a big birthday, and going through the loss he should have made a big effort.
How many people in your life do you really have to take time to think about? I would think your wife was one of them. Even if he asked you what you wanted, that was effort.
It seems like you both have drifted apart in what you value.

Sunnytimesahead · 08/01/2020 11:42

Hi ohprettybaby,
I know how it all sounds and why would I still be TTC with DH? He is doing this for me because he doesn’t want me to have regrets about not at least trying. He does want a baby and would be a good Dad. But he is also consumed with making money for retirement and always has been ever since we got together. Money is always his main concern.
I keep telling him we might not even be lucky enough to have a retirement, there’s no guarantee and in the meantime why aren’t we concentrating on living our lives now and making the most of every day. It largely goes over his head, he is focused on his goals.

Hi chocmallows,
You are right about being emotionally connected. We get on really as best friends and I feel our marriage is an agreement. Exactly as you say with more IVF planned (we have 2 frozen embryo’s) I want to see what happens. If we are lucky enough to have a baby I know that I will have something in my life that I have wanted for so long. This baby would be very much loved by both of us.

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katieak · 08/01/2020 12:46

So, if I may slightly play devil's advocate... I think men and women look at these things differently and our brains are programmed differently (yes I know that is a massive generalisation and doesn't apply to everyone! Don't shout at me! 😋). Women often expect their SO to be mind readers about things like birthdays and we expect surprises and thoughtful gifts. Sadly men don't always have the brain to think about the little things we would secretly love but don't tell them about. They might get us very little or something boring. Yes some men are great but I think these wonderful romantic gestures are often based in Hollywood and not real life! You didn't tell him what you'd really like. You didn't tell him you wanted something to mark the occasion. He may have thought that means you didn't want that at all. 40 can be a funny one. To us it's common sense to make a fuss of someone on big birthdays but I don't think men always do. It doesn't mean he doesn't love you the same, we're just wired differently.

You've said you're checking out emotionally and going over things like this in your head will only add to that. You will only increase any distance between you by doing so. You need to address this promptly to stop it from going too far.

The miscarriage will be playing a role in this. I'm sorry to hear you've been through it. Again, I think many women are going to be far more affected by this than their SO. It's your body that has been through it, not his. It's probably harder for him to understand.

He's planning for your future together and is doing things to make you happy. He doesn't sound like a bad guy. Maybe a bit unaware but not bad. Give him the chance for the two of you to work on this. A solid friendship is not a bad base for a successful relationship, it just needs a little work to keep it at more than that.

You maybe just need to check into the relationship a bit more (both of you that is) and talk through any struggles. They do happen from time to time to anyone but they are things that can be overcome. Get some support for your loss either with him or on your own. Talk to him about your feelings in a calm measured way. Maybe go to counselling together. Don't check out just yet.

Hope this helps (it comes from a good place and not intending to be critical so apologies if my wording is clumsy).

Sunnytimesahead · 08/01/2020 13:50

Hi katieak,
Thank you for your message, I appreciate what you are saying. I think you are right about men and women looking at these things differently.
We have been married 17 years and it really shouldn’t surprise me any more the feeling of disappointment with things like birthdays.
I know that the second cycle of IVF is going to be a big crossroads for me if it’s not successful.
He wouldn’t be interested in couples counselling so I’m definitely going to go myself to work through my sadness at the miscarriage and go from there.

Hi OneDay10,
Thank you for your message. The no present thing has hurt me and yes we have drifted apart. It was putting in no effort which made me feel undervalued that is the worst part.

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Pennyaday · 08/01/2020 16:04

Aww @caperplips, your post brought a tear to my eye. Your DH sounds so thoughtful! Just shows you don't have to spend a fortune or do anything grand to have a special time x

Pennyaday · 08/01/2020 16:10

OP, I'm so sorry for what you've been through and echo what others have said. All I can say is that I've been there (got the t-shirt) with exH ..he didn't give 2 shits about making an effort for birthdays etc and I always felt second best to his job and hobby, My current DH is a total different kettle of fish and always tries to make an effort for a little surprise, notes, marking special occasions. He is virtually a different species to my ex and far more of a man!! Sending unmumsnetty hugs your way x

Sunnytimesahead · 08/01/2020 16:35

Hi Pennyaday,
Thank you for your message. I am so glad your DH now is spoiling you in lots of lovely ways, he sounds lovely.

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CSIblonde · 08/01/2020 16:42

I'm so sorry re your miscarriage. He's not going to suddenly change if he has form for not asking what you'd like for a present & never surprising you either though. Generally, people are how they are, unless they have very specific incentives to change their usual default MO. In the same way, realistically, he doesn't seem as invested as you in children & perhaps as you say, you're little more than friends now. Maybe it's time to re evaluate your future together.

madcatladyforever · 08/01/2020 16:52

I'm not sure I could live with someone so selfish to be honest sunnytimes. It sounds like he just moved on straight away after the miscarriage, didn't bother with your 40th and can't be bothered generally.
My 2nd husband was the same. My 50th passed with nothing, the least he could have done was some nice flowers and a meal out.
That was the catalyst for me, I realised I couldn't grow old with someone so completely unfeeling and uncaring. I have seen far too many elderly people sitting across a table from one another with absolutely nothing to say any more. Tied together because there is no longer anywhere else to go.
I felt I deserved either better or a life alone. I've been alone for three years now and don't miss my husband at all. I have a much better life now and have moved out of our old area to somewhere completely new.
I can do and live how I want without constantly being in tears and upset by his selfishness and quite frankly neglect of me.
You are plenty young enough to find someone who genuinely cares for you and you deserve better.
If you told him you feel you'd like a divorce what do you think he's say? Would he fight for you, would he be shocked and dismayed or would he just react as he would the other times?

Shoxfordian · 08/01/2020 17:09

I don't think you should have a baby together when he doesn't seem to care about you and you may not stay together

ValancyRedfern · 08/01/2020 18:09

OP I think your partner not getting you a present for your 40th birthday is appalling and would be even if it weren't in addition to your MC and no presents at Christmas either. I would be insanely angry if I were you. DP and I aren't romantic either. But that doesn't mean you don't buy a birthday present. You are not unreasonable at all in being upset. With the miscarriage as well it must be so hard. Flowers