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AIBU Feeling so disappointed and undervalued

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Sunnytimesahead · 08/01/2020 08:22

I am fully aware this wouldn’t be a big deal to some people and compared to many other people’s really awful situations on here it really pales into insignificance. So please be kind.

I turned 40 this week, I have been feeling low generally after having a tough time. My DH and I had our first round of IVF and at the beginning of December I had a very early miscarriage. I was very upset by it but have gradually come to terms with it. I was fully aware first cycles don’t always work and of course my age is against me.
DH is a good man, but very wrapped up in his own life and focused on his work. He seemed sad about it at first but very quickly seemed to go back to normal and about 2 weeks later said “Oh I keep forgetting about that” meaning the miscarriage, not in a nasty way, just generally he has moved on mentally. We have talked about a second cycle this year and we are hoping to start in a couple of months. He just generally says we’ll try again and that’s that.

This week was my 40th birthday and I hadn’t discussed with him what I wanted. I thought I would just see if he asked what I would like or better still perhaps get me a little surprise. Knowing what we have been through and that I have been down. On previous birthdays he has never taken the initiative or surprised me apart from my 30th when he got some things I wanted plus a balloon and mug with 30 on and made some effort which was nice.
He knows what things I like and I would have been more than happy with a pair of earrings or a real surprise like tickets to a west end show. I really don’t have expensive tastes and just wanted to feel valued and thought about for once.
He gave me a nice card and got us a takeaway for lunch which is what we normally do for a birthday.
This just feels like one issue in a list of issues where we have just turned into friends rather than a married couple. We love each other but we are just not in love with each other, life has just got very much like he does his thing and I do mine.
He is so focused on our retirement, making money for the future and all I can think about is living for now and wanting to make life worthwhile. To me if we can’t have children I can’t visualise a fulfilling retirement at all. I keep telling him this, it falls on deaf ears. I am essentially unhappy with our life together and he doesn’t see this at all. He seems quite happy with his life.
I did tell him I was disappointed that he didn’t get me a present. His face dropped and he said “well you didn’t tell me what you wanted“ (he never asked) and said he’d been busy with work. And he always says my birthday is too close to Christmas. We didn’t bother with Christmas presents this year because of the miscarriage, we just kept it all low key. I said you’ve known about this birthday for a year. I would have liked a little token to show that you have put some thought in. He didn’t really know what to say.
On his birthdays I always ask him if he wants anything, usually he can’t think of anything. So I get him 4 or 5 things to unwrap, things I’ve thought about and think he will like. Nothing too exciting, some clothes and foodie stuff I know he’ll like but a few little surprises to show I’ve thought about him.
AIBU to feel so disappointed and undervalued by this?

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Runnerduck34 · 08/01/2020 23:36

yanbu, anyone would be upset in your shoes, I'm so sorry about the miscarriage.
My DH is a bit rubbish at birthdays and Xmas too, I now dont leave anything to chance , he gets clear instructions present wise and for birthdays I suggest a day out or a meal. I suggest you do the same in future, not romantic but avoids disappointment ! Sounds like your husband wants to build a future with you and loves you but isn't meeting your emotional needs, can you talk to.him and explain how you are feeling? Perhaps also organise a treat for you both, you deserve a bit of pampering. You are going through a tough time right now but better times will come,hang in there

Sunnytimesahead · 09/01/2020 18:47

Hi CSIblonde and madcatladyforever,
Thank you for your messages. I feel 2020 is make or break in so many ways. I'm not going to make any harsh decisions right now and just see how things pan out.
Re: If I asked for a divorce I think he would be shocked mainly because he seems quite happy with the way things are. I think he would want to try and make me happy but I'm not sure he could or even should change if he is happy as he is.

@Shoxfordian - He does care about me, but it is things like birthdays and showing he cares and thinks about me and what I might like - that is the problem. I think about him and what he might like as a matter of course.

This morning he said he was really sorry for not getting me anything and that he hasn't got a good excuse. He was just focussing totally on work after the Christmas break and now realises he was wrong not to at least ask me if he could get me something for my birthday. I did appreciate that because it showed he had been thinking it over the past couple of days.
He said for me to think if I would like him to buy me something now. I just said don't worry about it, my birthday has been and gone but thanked him for apologising.

He is a good man in lots of ways and maybe this might make him think a bit more about my feelings in future.

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Sunnytimesahead · 09/01/2020 18:49

Hi ValancyRedfern and Runnerduck34,
Thank you both for your messages and advice.

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HollowTalk · 09/01/2020 18:52

He's been thinking about retirement since he was in his 20s? That's so weird.

I'm so sorry you had a miscarriage and wish you every luck with IVF.

AlexaAmbidextra · 09/01/2020 20:11

and would be a good Dad.

On what do you base this? Why do you think he would be a good dad? He doesn’t sound like a particularly caring or loving husband. He doesn’t want to do things that would make you happy. I really wouldn’t bet on him being a caring father who takes his share of the responsibility for a child. If your IVF is successful I think you will very much bear the entire responsibility while he carries on ‘doing his thing’.

Shoxfordian · 09/01/2020 21:42

What does he do to show you he cares? I don't think bringing a baby into this relationship is going to improve things

Sunnytimesahead · 10/01/2020 00:11

Hi HollowTalk, My DH is 10 years older than me and yes he has been talking about pensions and planning for retirement since our early days! It's just the way he is I'm afraid to say.
Thank you for your good wishes.

Hi AlexaAmbidextra,
I know he would be a good Dad because he can be very kind and caring. If I needed him he would be there for me.
If we are lucky enough to have a baby I know I would take on the vast majority of the day to day childcare because he is the main breadwinner, I will only be working part time and it is my preference anyway.

Hi Shoxfordian, He does do things to show me he cares. He asks me if I'm okay and he listens to me if I want to talk amongst other things. He is not a brick wall and doesn't abuse me like some men described on mumsnet. He isn't perfect but God knows neither am I. He has hurt me over this and he knows it now. I'm not giving up on this marriage just yet.

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Antihop · 10/01/2020 00:17

I completely understand why you feel upset. He's really let you down.

Catsandchardonnay · 10/01/2020 00:23

Oh OP I am very sad for you about your miscarriage and your DH being so uncaring about your birthday. Yes counselling is a good idea, but it sounds like you need to sit down and chat and try to reconnect as a couple.

I know first hand how upsetting infertility and losing babies can be, I’ve been through it too, it takes over your life and is all-consuming. It worked out for me eventually, I hope it will for you too.

Flowers for you

Catsandchardonnay · 10/01/2020 00:25

I’ve just reread the beginning of your post and I think you’re downplaying your situation too much. What you’ve been through would be devastating I think for most people. Look after yourself.

ByeMF · 10/01/2020 00:31

I think he has been utterly thoughtless. A 40th birthday following a miscarriage must be an absolute kick in the teeth. To turn around and say he's been concentrating on work too much shows his priorities are in the wrong place.

I am so glad you are looking into counseling. It will help you massively. I had to pay, it was bloody worth every penny!

katy1213 · 10/01/2020 00:39

That's so sad. Even in happier times, a takeaway does not constitute a 40th birthday celebration!
But your husband doesn't sound bad, just unimaginative and set in his ways. Could you print out this thread and get him to read it? He might be shocked to realise how unhappy you are. Sounds like he'd be thrilled to have a baby, but not too bothered if it doesn't happen - and maybe he doesn't grasp that you need to negotiate a new way of being together if things don't worth out.

katy1213 · 10/01/2020 00:39

sorry, that should be work out.

Sunnytimesahead · 10/01/2020 00:43

Hi Antihop, Thank you for your message, I initially thought I was acting like a kid feeling let down but I appreciate your support on this.

Hi Catsandchardonnay, thank you for your messages. I'm so glad things have worked out for you. I'm not giving up on my marriage or the IVF yet.

Hi ByeMF, thank you for your message. It really has been a kick in the teeth one after another the past two months.
I'm glad counselling has been helpful for you. I have an initial over the phone assessment tomorrow so I'm hoping the counselling will be starting soon. I know how lucky I am not having to pay and will be making the most of it.

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aroundtheworldyet · 10/01/2020 00:43

Aside point. But have you been trying to ttc for 17 years?

Sunnytimesahead · 10/01/2020 00:47

Hi katy1213, thank you for your message. You know I was thinking the same thing, about printing the thread and showing him. But I think he would be angry about it (not in an abusive or threatening way) but start saying why would I listen to everyone else, etc, etc. I don't think it would help sadly.
I feel I have been and can be more honest here than I could to his face. I think he would be very upset to know I have thought of ending our marriage.
As you say he is not a bad person. He is just thoughtless sometimes but I have realised there is a lot more good than bad in this marriage since I have calmed down a bit.

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Sunnytimesahead · 10/01/2020 00:51

Hi aroundtheworldyet, no we haven't been TTC for that long. Various difficulties in our lives over the years meant that it's only the past 5 years we have been actively TTC. Although in earlier years there have been times when I've wondered if I have had early miscarriages without knowing for sure so it might not have been any easier for us if we had started when I was in my twenties.
Sadly I very much wish life had turned out differently and we had started much much sooner. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

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aroundtheworldyet · 10/01/2020 01:09

You’ve been with him since you were 23
I presume he was your first serious partner

I would just have a serious think about how he makes you feel. 40 is a big birthday and I would expect someone to at least think about something small. Lots of people on here seem to think birthdays are pointless.

I also worry why your friends didn’t rally round.

It all sounds very heartbreaking, and you sound very lonely. I’m not going to surmise anything about your relationship. But have a really good think about everything in your life over the last 17 years.

SteelRiver · 10/01/2020 01:48

Hi OP. I'm so sorry for your sad loss.
People are pretty much creatures of habit and it seems possible to me that with the recent miscarriage, and without your usual prompting, your husband might have thought you weren't wanting to celebrate your birthday. Maybe he didnt want to upset you by asking. You say he's saving and working hard so you can both have a comfortable retirement, so that might indicate he isn't completely uncaring and that he does value and see a future with you. Maybe he isnt able to express his grief and sadness at not being a parent and presents it as not being bothered.

Only you can know if you want that future with him. I hope that counselling can help you with that decision and give you some piece of mind. I send you my very best wishes

EKGEMS · 10/01/2020 01:51

A man who can't be bothered with a milestone bday for his wife is hardly the world's greatest father material-he has to have his head out of his own arse this guy sounds anything but that

AuntyElle · 10/01/2020 02:04

OP, you say “I know he would be a good Dad because he can be very kind and caring. If I needed him he would be there for me.“

But you’ve needed him in the last couple of months and he hasn’t really been there for you from what you describe. You seem to be saying he hasn’t shown much kindness or caring even in the aftermath of your loss. This is who he is.

Flowers
Sunnytimesahead · 10/01/2020 09:27

Hi aroundtheworldyet, Thank you for your message. I've actually been with him since I was 19. We've been together nearly 21 years and married for nearly 17. He's my only ever boyfriend.
On the friends point, I have one new friend who has been very supportive. My 'best friend' since school has drifted away since having children which is understandable she is so busy. She knows nothing about any of this.
I haven't told any of my family about the IVF and they won't know about DH not buying me a birthday present, it makes him look bad! I have kept the IVF very quiet because I was concerned it wouldn't work.
I am actually quite lonely. DH and I spend most evenings together in front of the tv but otherwise we do our own thing. Although even when you are physically with someone you can still feel lonely because you're not connecting.

Hi SteelRiver, Thank you for your lovely message. You have raised some really good points. DH is definitely a creature of habit, every year he says my birthday is too near Christmas and this seems to annoy him! He is essentially a good person, but can be thoughtless. I'm hoping the counselling will help me work through all my feelings about the miscarriage and my marriage and help me see more clearly.

Hi EKGEMS, DH has got his head up his own arse in many ways but he is not so stubborn that he can't learn. He knows now how upset I am about this and he was truly sorry. I'm not going to give up on him just yet.

Hi AuntyElle, The trouble is the instances I have explained don't give the complete picture. He has been there for me with the whole IVF journey. The woman bears the brunt of it and he knows that. I do wonder if I had been plagued with mood swings like some women whether we would have made it to my 40th birthday though. I was incredibly lucky to not have bad reactions to the drugs. I only went downhill after the embryo transfer and the early miscarriage and the 2 weeks waiting for confirmation. In some ways we have had it easy compared to some couples. Even though it has been one of the toughest experiences of my life.

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Zaphodsotherhead · 10/01/2020 09:42

I just wanted to give you a virtual hug, you sound so down.

Just be careful about ascribing characteristics to your DH which you wish he had, rather than those he does have. Is there a chance that you are still seeing him as the man he was when you first met, rather than the man he has become? A man who is obsessed with earning money (even if he says it's for retirement) is not going to turn into a hands-on relaxed dad overnight, however besotted he may be when his baby first arrives. He's going to leave it all up to you, while he keeps on earning. And he may not be able to stop and actually retire because he's so hooked on earning.

You think you are lonely now - life can be infinitely more lonely when you have a small child and a man whose wants are simply dinner on the table and a quiet evening in front of the TV. Voice of experience here.

Sunnytimesahead · 10/01/2020 09:54

Hi Zaphodsotherhead, Thank you for your message and advice.
Everything you say is sound advice and I appreciate it's from your own experience. My problem is my want and need for a baby is something I can't get away from. If I was 30 and in this situation it would be so much easier to make a decision but time is totally against me now. I am going to give things a chance this year. At the end of 2020 I will know what is happening with the TTC and can make a decision on the future.

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aroundtheworldyet · 10/01/2020 10:02

I agree with carrying on with ttc.
Many people won’t. But I get that you see him as your only chance (though you could use a donor)

But I am worried about the rest of it all. It’s incredibly sad that he didn’t get you anything. Personally I would be heartbroken if that happened to me. Even my 2 exes got me something for my 40th.

I do wonder slightly if it was more him that delayed all this ttc for various reasons though, although you have elaborated?