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Work Creep - would it be unreasonable to tell my line manager?

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GreatBigOnion61 · 07/01/2020 21:44

I like my job, I work hard as I’m doing the work of at least half another person but it’s flexible and fits around my medical appointments (transplant pending). I’m not in a position to move employer and I’m not yet protected by two years employment until later this year (only found out about transplant last year!).

One of my team is based in UAE. He’s married, has kids. Recently he’s started being really over-familiar on WhatsApp. I’m friendly generally, I banter with everyone on the team so he knows I have a teen at home, presume he thinks I’m a single parent which I am, but I do have a partner of 4 years who I don’t live with.

We have a team WhatsApp group and most of us banter about life outside of work in it, but nothing personal. Just the odd gloating holiday pic or a Christmas tree or a family snap if it’s amusing.

He recently WhatsApp messaged me early one morning asking me to sort something out - my phone is my own and though I use it for work, I do not have email access etc on it as I would never switch off and I don’t want a work phone for the same reason. I said I’d respond when in the office.

Then the creepy shit starts. ‘By the way, I like your profile pic’. I’m surprised but say thanks, it was taken last year, before I knew about the transplant so I probably look a bit more relaxed!

He then says ‘you look beautiful’. I politely say I’m not so sure but try to shake him off with ‘speak when I’m at the office’.

He has continued typing before he’s received my reply saying I’ll still be beautiful in 50 years.

I wanted to puke. I brushed him off but felt he’d crossed a line. He then continued. ‘I had health problems similar x years ago, but I had an operation in India, so I really feel you’.

I felt even more sick!

Told my partner who said to give him the benefit of the doubt - told me potentially the cultural differences and probably just being clumsily complimentary - but to say something to my line manager if I thought he was being inappropriate.

I haven’t done that, but I’m definitely very cautious around him now.

Then yesterday, first day back after hols - I message the group to say train is delayed. Scramble the copter, copter emoji, happy new year etc.

He then sends me a direct WhatsApp asking if I’d ‘like his Chopper’ with a ;-) and then asking me to call him about a work matter. I ignored the lot.

He asked me to call him when I was on leave. I just said I was on leave.

It’s pissing me off. Am I being a bit sensitive or is this bloke a creep who presumes I’m a single mum gagging for a shag with a total arsehole??

I cannot lose this job. I am already having to be firm about my workload as they’re piling it on. I need to keep my blood pressure low and the stress of the job and now an absolute arsehole being Stealthily inappropriate.

Am I being unreasonable by keeping this quiet?
Or would I be unreasonable to tell my line manager?

He is more senior than me and I feel it would be me who would be compromised. It’s not a backwards organisation. We are a global brand.

Am I over reacting? I can’t help thinking this is not going to stop.

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Noshowlomo · 07/01/2020 21:48

Tell your line manager!! He is definitely being a creep.... “like his chopper” Angry

Sparklfairy · 07/01/2020 21:50

Tell your line manager, but in writing. Keep all the messages creep sent you.

GreatBigOnion61 · 07/01/2020 21:56

Thanks. I couldn’t work out if I was being a bit precious.

I’m 50 and though I look alright for my age on a good day, I can’t help feeling he thinks I’m desperately easy meat! Which is making it worse as I’m questioning what have I done to give that impression!

There are younger, available women on the team - he’s chosen me as he thinks I’ll bite.

Bleurgh. It’s a downright insult in truth. Thanks for the advice.

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Abraid2 · 07/01/2020 21:57

He’s a creep who doesn’t put equal value on women in the workplace.

GreatBigOnion61 · 07/01/2020 22:03

I totally agree Abraid2. But he had to choose me out of 8 others.

If I didn’t care about my salary and benefits, I’d go in for the full ‘outing’ experience by quoting him in the group chat - to get him to back off immediately.

As it stands, I need my job now more than ever.

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Dobbyhasnomaster · 07/01/2020 22:05

This is disgusting - and thankfully in this political climate it should be him getting into trouble. Make sure to take screenshots, keep a record, and consult an employment solicitor / ACAS if you are unsure about anything. Sorry you’re going through this Flowers

CakeSlice · 07/01/2020 22:07

He might be messaging all the women inappropriately and hoping you all keep quiet. Are you close enough to ask if they have received any messaging directly to them?

R2519 · 07/01/2020 22:38

The comment about liking his chopper is sexual harassment. Show this to your line manager and request a meeting with HR. Unless he actually had a helicopter there is no other meaning a chopper could be other than a euphemism for his Knob. As I say, sexual harassment and it will be taken extremely seriously. No one else in the team needs to know as it’s kept confidential but they said he is sending you very inappropriate messages so if your colleagues are human they will be appalled and disgusted if the were to find out. You also don’t have to keep working with him post and investigation and outcome. Sending messages like that is sexual harassment and the law is firmly behind you in that!

GreatBigOnion61 · 07/01/2020 22:45

@CakeSlice I have considered gently broaching it. I’m quite close to my line manager on that sort of level but of course, I’m cautious as I’m terrified of rocking the boat.
I have a 1:1 tomorrow where I thought about gently asking if he’d ever been a bit over-familiar with her in any way. Keeping it light and off the record. She hates confrontation and managing unbelievably. She’s great at all other areas of her work and needs direct reports to progress. So I’ve not yet brought it up. Maybe one of the others first but then it’s complicated because I probably shouldn’t share it as I know it’s disgusting and he needs pulling up.

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GreatBigOnion61 · 07/01/2020 22:47

@R2519 this is a solid and the sort of advice I was hoping for. Thank you so much.

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GreatBigOnion61 · 07/01/2020 22:47

‘Solid reply’ sorry. A bit jittery.

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GreatBigOnion61 · 07/01/2020 22:49

@Dobbyhasnomaster thanks Dobby.

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LuluBellaBlue · 07/01/2020 22:53

You also don’t know it’s only you.
People like him generally harass lots of women, luck of the draw in their eyes.
I’d have a word and quietly speak to all the other women, as if others have said something then together he could easily be ousted from the company!

HeresMe · 07/01/2020 22:53

Probelm is you are dealing with someone in UAE if the company is based there you are screwed, if not report the hell out of him.

R2519 · 07/01/2020 22:55

No problem. I would absolutely show your manager and make it clear you are not happy. Use the words sexual harassment Regarding his comment and that you want HR involved. if working with him makes you uncomfortable then you don’t have too and can request not too and with that message they can’t ignore it. Also follow up your conversations in email too.

GreatBigOnion61 · 07/01/2020 23:00

@HeresMe we’re UK based. He’s just based there. I only have to see him face to face once in a blue moon but there’s a meeting coming up and I just have that awful feeling that if I don’t stop it now, he’s going to be unbearable when here.

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wateraddict · 07/01/2020 23:00

He is making you uncomfortable, which you definitely should raise with your manager. The thing is he may be doing this to others too and your manager can't act if they don't know. I would definitely raise and state clearly that when x says "quote" in a private chat I feel uncomfortable/ singled out /harassed which makes it factual and clear. Good luck and I hope your manager quickly resolves this for you.

HeresMe · 07/01/2020 23:06

UK based report him to hell.

GreatBigOnion61 · 07/01/2020 23:09

@LuluBellaBlue it’s a thought that has crossed my mind. But I’m pretty sure at least one of them would have reported him straight off.
It’s also difficult as he’s all banter in the group and just looks like he’s having a laugh; a while back he did suggest I go to UAE so he could drive me around in his car! I thought that was odd! Actually, I need to check that was the group chat and not direct. I did think at the time it was a bit full on but secure in the fact it was in front of everyone in the group! Urgh. I need to check, maybe it wasn’t. Grim!!
But the sex pests do generally have form. I only know one who lost his job for sexual harassment. Happily married but guess who he wanted to meet for a drink to tell me about his new company and job opportunities. Guess who had to cancel his hotel room when I worked out what he’d been plotting for me!

I feel like shit. What vibe am I giving off that I’m up for being a gross bastards bit on the side?

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Hingeandbracket · 07/01/2020 23:30

I feel like shit. What vibe am I giving off that I’m up for being a gross bastards bit on the side?
Please don't (feel like shit) - it's not you, it's him. This kind of Weinstein will do it to anyone he thinks he can get away with it - so ironically the nicer and more decent you are the more likely to be the recipient.

Rangoon · 07/01/2020 23:49

Include a regular mention of your wonderful partner in the "banter". I would try to get a level of formality into communications with the work creep as he is obviously taking advantage of the work culture.

GreatBigOnion61 · 07/01/2020 23:54

@Hingeandbracket thanks. I hadn’t thought of that actually. I am generally quite friendly, I’ve just been reading some of our group chat and am now cringing that I’ve been so friendly!

instantly feels better about self - but regrets the very standard and actually tame work banter

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GreatBigOnion61 · 07/01/2020 23:59

@Rangoon - exactly that. I’ve read through Both chats and given this some proper thought.

He is using it as an excuse to contact me direct first thing and while I’m on leave and I’m being very formal with him now. Won’t be responding to him on WhatsApp at all, even though he is annoyingly sending work stuff on it.

I’m going to remind him again to use mail next time as I don’t have a work phone. Hopefully that will shut him down somewhat.

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GreatBigOnion61 · 08/01/2020 00:10

@wateraddict - sound advice. Thank you.

It’s a good way of approaching it too.

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Rachelfromfriends1 · 08/01/2020 00:14

In my experience creepy colleagues like this won’t just be doing this to one person.

In one of my old jobs, I had similar but not as explicit. I was new and mentioned it to some of the girls in the staff room, turns out he was like this with everyone and had a reputation for being weird/creepy/flirty but no one had actually reported him. A manager overheard our conversation and finally had a word with him where he stopped.