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Work Creep - would it be unreasonable to tell my line manager?

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GreatBigOnion61 · 07/01/2020 21:44

I like my job, I work hard as I’m doing the work of at least half another person but it’s flexible and fits around my medical appointments (transplant pending). I’m not in a position to move employer and I’m not yet protected by two years employment until later this year (only found out about transplant last year!).

One of my team is based in UAE. He’s married, has kids. Recently he’s started being really over-familiar on WhatsApp. I’m friendly generally, I banter with everyone on the team so he knows I have a teen at home, presume he thinks I’m a single parent which I am, but I do have a partner of 4 years who I don’t live with.

We have a team WhatsApp group and most of us banter about life outside of work in it, but nothing personal. Just the odd gloating holiday pic or a Christmas tree or a family snap if it’s amusing.

He recently WhatsApp messaged me early one morning asking me to sort something out - my phone is my own and though I use it for work, I do not have email access etc on it as I would never switch off and I don’t want a work phone for the same reason. I said I’d respond when in the office.

Then the creepy shit starts. ‘By the way, I like your profile pic’. I’m surprised but say thanks, it was taken last year, before I knew about the transplant so I probably look a bit more relaxed!

He then says ‘you look beautiful’. I politely say I’m not so sure but try to shake him off with ‘speak when I’m at the office’.

He has continued typing before he’s received my reply saying I’ll still be beautiful in 50 years.

I wanted to puke. I brushed him off but felt he’d crossed a line. He then continued. ‘I had health problems similar x years ago, but I had an operation in India, so I really feel you’.

I felt even more sick!

Told my partner who said to give him the benefit of the doubt - told me potentially the cultural differences and probably just being clumsily complimentary - but to say something to my line manager if I thought he was being inappropriate.

I haven’t done that, but I’m definitely very cautious around him now.

Then yesterday, first day back after hols - I message the group to say train is delayed. Scramble the copter, copter emoji, happy new year etc.

He then sends me a direct WhatsApp asking if I’d ‘like his Chopper’ with a ;-) and then asking me to call him about a work matter. I ignored the lot.

He asked me to call him when I was on leave. I just said I was on leave.

It’s pissing me off. Am I being a bit sensitive or is this bloke a creep who presumes I’m a single mum gagging for a shag with a total arsehole??

I cannot lose this job. I am already having to be firm about my workload as they’re piling it on. I need to keep my blood pressure low and the stress of the job and now an absolute arsehole being Stealthily inappropriate.

Am I being unreasonable by keeping this quiet?
Or would I be unreasonable to tell my line manager?

He is more senior than me and I feel it would be me who would be compromised. It’s not a backwards organisation. We are a global brand.

Am I over reacting? I can’t help thinking this is not going to stop.

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Rachelfromfriends1 · 08/01/2020 00:14

Also you should put a photo of you & your partner up as your WhatsApp photo temporarily

TheFoxAndTheMole · 08/01/2020 00:25

I'd make one or two replies to his messages that make it crystal clear that I don't want him to message me. In fact I think it could tie in very nicely with you'e boundaries with work - next time he messages you personally, cast an Elsa level of frost in the air and tell him that you no longer accept WhatsApp/texts/calls from colleagues to your personal phone, please email you on your work email and you'll pick it up the next time you're in, thanks. If he tries "but we're friends/ you'e too hot to leave alone" reply something short and dry "work only messages and only to my email thanks." Mute the conversation and only respond to the group WhatsApp if it strictly needs you.

I'd do that first, and go to HR if it's still a problem.

GreatBigOnion61 · 08/01/2020 00:27

@Rachelfromfriends1, I did actually have one of DP and I until a couple of months ago. I look a bit shit of late due to being ill - so I changed it to a pic of me looking happy from a year ago. He’s taken the simple but effective positive out of that, the fucker!

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GreatBigOnion61 · 08/01/2020 00:39

But I agree, that if anyone else had the same experience he’d be toast. Best let my line manager know tomorrow reading this advice.

Rubbish isn’t it how even now, we still don’t feel empowered for fear of it being turned on us. Maybe that’s my age group - as a fifty year old, I have a lot to lose and employers are not queuing around the block to give you a Decent job.

I just don’t want this level of shit, let alone it hanging around my neck for any future employer willing to give a woman facing a transplant and dialysis a decent job.

It feels really miserable. I contracted for years before this permanent job. The fear of losing it now is huge.

This man is absolutely out of order for adding to an already hideous situation...

But I do appreciate all the sound advice. Thank you.

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GreatBigOnion61 · 08/01/2020 00:43

@TheFoxAndTheMole thanks. This is also a good contender for a solution

I may ask for a work phone after all and just be strict with turning it on and off 9-5.

I’ll be putting serious distance between me and the work group. It was on mute over Christmas. His wasn’t as I just didn’t expect him to contact. He was ignored when he did!

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Rachelfromfriends1 · 08/01/2020 01:08

One thing on your side is actual evidence via the text conversation - so he can’t even lie/deny his way out of this one. Take screenshots. You have everything on your side.

He definitely assumed you broke up after your display photo changeHmm what a moron

Nikhedonia · 08/01/2020 01:34

We have an office in UAE and this 'banter' is similar Hmm. Whilst 'chopper' is known as a euphemism for knob in the UK, I'm genuinely not sure if it is elsewhere? He could just deny this and say that he was just using another word for helicopter. If he doesn't know, he needs to know ASAP and understand how that translates in the UK as sexual harassment.

I'd discuss/ report to your line manager as this is making you feel uncomfortable and the comments about your looks are totally unacceptable.

I really hate that we still have to deal with shit like this at work.

minesagin37 · 08/01/2020 04:40

@Greatbigonion61 unfortunately some ( not all) deficient, desperate men do occupy more lower paid jobs. Your in that job to so you come into contact with more of these types of blokes. You will probably find he's got a chequered history stretching back. Inappropriateness to women, having to leave jobs because of it. The only way to truly escape that is to have a career change probably but that's difficult at 50 odd.

Lilymossflower · 08/01/2020 05:52

Maybe he is messaging the other women too !

Deffo tell manager

Fuck them if they don't take it seriously and sort him out, they would deffo be a backwards company

HulksPurplePanties · 08/01/2020 06:04

We have an office in UAE and this 'banter' is similar hmm

You need to report that banter. The reason he's talking to you like that is because you aren't in the country. If you were in the UAE and you reported him for that shit he'd be in serious shit.

Report him/them OP & Nikhedonia, I say this as someone who lives and works in the UAE.

CMOTDibbler · 08/01/2020 06:17

I ended up reporting a colleague from overseas to HR after an incident where the person concerned didn't do or say anything overtly bad, but that just creeped out a few women present at the same event. It was taken very seriously, and HR thanked me for talking about it, so they could get some education in place to try and prevent anything else. He ended up being sacked a year later after a physical incident as it happens, but I knew I'd done everything I could

ihavedonethisbefore · 08/01/2020 06:24

I'll admit I thought perhaps you needed to get a bit of a grip until the "my chopper" comment. However, you're a big girl, surely you can message him and tell him that his behaviour is inappropriate, you're not interested and if he continues you'll go to the manager?

Angie6868 · 08/01/2020 06:40

I'd messagee him directly, and tell him you're not comfortable with his messages. If he carries on, report him. It'll be better for you if you've raised it with him directly first.

GreatBigOnion61 · 08/01/2020 07:56

@minesagin37 he’s a high earner in a senior position.

That probably bothers me more than the principle of what he’s doing. He’s ‘more important’ in the heirarchy. He’s acting like a muppet - but he’s on a 6 figure salary.

Hence, I’ve held back on reporting this far.

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GreatBigOnion61 · 08/01/2020 08:02

@ihavedonethisbefore I have thought about telling him to back off, but I figure he’ll not like the confrontation, he’ll make out he was only joking and turn nasty. Surely, you’ve had the misfortune of this type? I have though not with Message evidence. Usually the type that gets carried away after a beer and knows he’s been a dick so then can’t be civilised to you anymore!

I guess all common sense leaves you when you’re in fear you’ll lose the job you need.

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GreatBigOnion61 · 08/01/2020 08:05

@Angie6868 I suppose yes, just telling him to stop is a good first move.

I’ve just been feeling so sick about him, I’ve done nothing. I’m just formally responding to him on work matters via email.

It’s why I posted. I needed to know how others would go about it, so thanks.

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GreatBigOnion61 · 08/01/2020 08:08

@Lilymossflower I have to agree, it would be a backwards company that let men think this sort of slimy behaviour is OK.

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jackstini · 08/01/2020 08:10

Definitely YANBU

Let us know how it goes and fingers crossed for your transplant situation too Thanks

HulksPurplePanties · 08/01/2020 08:20

have thought about telling him to back off, but I figure he’ll not like the confrontation, he’ll make out he was only joking and turn nasty.

You've got the benefit here OP. While WhatsApp'ing between colleagues isn't a crime in the UAE, harassment via WhatsApp is. His "my chopper" comment can easily be reported as sexual harassment. If you don't want to take it to HR, maybe remind him about the social media laws in the UAE. Just tell him you were reading an interesting article about a guy who went to jail for harassing a female colleague on WhatsApp.... Grin
Wink: wink Wink

EvaHarknessRose · 08/01/2020 08:21

I think I would just say to a line manager 'i have received some unexpected and inappropriate personal messages from an overseas colleague. I am now ignoring and hopefully that's the end of it but if not I may need your advice.' They'll be desperate to ask you more but torn because if they do they will have to do something about it!

GreatBigOnion61 · 08/01/2020 08:23

@CMOTDibbler that’s exactly it. And I feel I should do the responsible thing as I’m sure he will escalate somewhere down the line.

Him saying he ‘really feels’ me re my health was the worst. I do have a male colleague who’s actually transplanted who hasn’t said anything remotely creepy. Just been helpful, not over familiar just a good colleague with the benefit of experience, shared in a non-heavy, genuinely supportive and not intrusive way. We are at work after all.

Bleurgh. The thought of Creep makes me feel really sick.

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GreatBigOnion61 · 08/01/2020 08:25

@HulksPurplePanties now that’s a good idea and maybe I’ll do some reading up on the train this morning too. Thanks

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GreatBigOnion61 · 08/01/2020 08:26

@jackstini thank you

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BugBasher · 08/01/2020 08:26

Just wanted to chime in on one specific point from the op. Even if this is 'cultural differences', which I don't think it is, it's up to the men from misogynistic cultures to alter their ways when dealing with women outside their culture. Women should never tolerate being treated as a sub-class because of 'culture' or religion.

minesagin37 · 08/01/2020 08:35

@GreatBigOnion61 oh sorry. I've got flu and obviously got totally confused with the thread. Apologies.

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