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Work Creep - would it be unreasonable to tell my line manager?

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GreatBigOnion61 · 07/01/2020 21:44

I like my job, I work hard as I’m doing the work of at least half another person but it’s flexible and fits around my medical appointments (transplant pending). I’m not in a position to move employer and I’m not yet protected by two years employment until later this year (only found out about transplant last year!).

One of my team is based in UAE. He’s married, has kids. Recently he’s started being really over-familiar on WhatsApp. I’m friendly generally, I banter with everyone on the team so he knows I have a teen at home, presume he thinks I’m a single parent which I am, but I do have a partner of 4 years who I don’t live with.

We have a team WhatsApp group and most of us banter about life outside of work in it, but nothing personal. Just the odd gloating holiday pic or a Christmas tree or a family snap if it’s amusing.

He recently WhatsApp messaged me early one morning asking me to sort something out - my phone is my own and though I use it for work, I do not have email access etc on it as I would never switch off and I don’t want a work phone for the same reason. I said I’d respond when in the office.

Then the creepy shit starts. ‘By the way, I like your profile pic’. I’m surprised but say thanks, it was taken last year, before I knew about the transplant so I probably look a bit more relaxed!

He then says ‘you look beautiful’. I politely say I’m not so sure but try to shake him off with ‘speak when I’m at the office’.

He has continued typing before he’s received my reply saying I’ll still be beautiful in 50 years.

I wanted to puke. I brushed him off but felt he’d crossed a line. He then continued. ‘I had health problems similar x years ago, but I had an operation in India, so I really feel you’.

I felt even more sick!

Told my partner who said to give him the benefit of the doubt - told me potentially the cultural differences and probably just being clumsily complimentary - but to say something to my line manager if I thought he was being inappropriate.

I haven’t done that, but I’m definitely very cautious around him now.

Then yesterday, first day back after hols - I message the group to say train is delayed. Scramble the copter, copter emoji, happy new year etc.

He then sends me a direct WhatsApp asking if I’d ‘like his Chopper’ with a ;-) and then asking me to call him about a work matter. I ignored the lot.

He asked me to call him when I was on leave. I just said I was on leave.

It’s pissing me off. Am I being a bit sensitive or is this bloke a creep who presumes I’m a single mum gagging for a shag with a total arsehole??

I cannot lose this job. I am already having to be firm about my workload as they’re piling it on. I need to keep my blood pressure low and the stress of the job and now an absolute arsehole being Stealthily inappropriate.

Am I being unreasonable by keeping this quiet?
Or would I be unreasonable to tell my line manager?

He is more senior than me and I feel it would be me who would be compromised. It’s not a backwards organisation. We are a global brand.

Am I over reacting? I can’t help thinking this is not going to stop.

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HulksPurplePanties · 08/01/2020 08:38

it's up to the men from misogynistic cultures

This is a man thing, not a culture thing, I've had it from British men, American men, Filipino men, etc.

GreatBigOnion61 · 08/01/2020 09:01

@BugBasher I totally agree. He’s actually from another Muslim state and I’ve given some leeway on account of him probably not being used to working with women. But that in itself needs addressing by the organisation - we have offices all over the world and we shouldn’t need to make allowances. I know what would happen if I went to UAE and ignored their laws e.g. by exposing too much flesh or drinking alcohol in public.

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GreatBigOnion61 · 08/01/2020 09:04

@HulksPurplePanties it is a man thing, but this is a bit crude and unsophisticated. The fact he’s not worried I’ll say something says much about his attitude.
I’ve met some very crafty mysoginists. This man is just a dick. I thought this sort of thing had died out.

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Racmactac · 08/01/2020 09:21

Why don't you just reply with. Inappropriate.
Ignore all private chat and stop the banter on the group chat.

If he carries on then report.

I've been harassed at work on many occasions. Just bloody tell them straight. I was a very junior employee in a company and I told the ceo to fuck off and leave me alone. If he didn't I'd tell everyone what a creep he was. He behaved from then on.

woodchuck99 · 08/01/2020 09:34

I agree that it would be a good idea to be blunt and tell him it is inappropriate.

GreatBigOnion61 · 08/01/2020 09:37

@Racmactac superb!

It’s tempting. The banter is definitely stopping.

I’ll just keep it to the ladies I can actually have a laugh with.

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MyOwnSummer · 08/01/2020 09:51

Glad to know you are going to report him, OP. It will be awkward and difficult, but know that you are protecting other women because he will not stop with you - you are certainly not the first person he has targeted and you will not be the last unless he is stopped.

GreatBigOnion61 · 08/01/2020 09:54

@MyOwnSummer, thank you and yes. He needs stopping. Today is going to be rubbish - but I’m going in right now. Wish me luck!!

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Abraid2 · 08/01/2020 10:00

Good luck!

YasssKween · 08/01/2020 10:29

Good luck OP.

God, can't believe we still have to put up with this shit.

Sagradafamiliar · 08/01/2020 10:40

Could you not just block him on whatsapp? You don't have to deal with him in person as he's out of the country and contact outside of work isn't a requirement. Whatsapp is too informal for me, I only text colleagues when necessary.
I know the onus shouldn't be on you but it cuts out the problem.

whatnow40 · 08/01/2020 10:51

Hope you tell your line manager and get support. Just a side note on your employment rights. You have a medicinal condition that probably fits within the definition of a disability. You don't need to have worked there 2 yrs if you are disabled and think/can prove you have lost your job or been discriminated against because of your disability. For this reason, HR in a large organisation would tread carefully. Sacking you for rocking the boat on sexual harassment isn't worth the risk, IMO.

"A disability is a physical or mental impairment that has a 'substantial' and 'long-term' negative effect on your ability to do normal daily activities." Long term is 12 months, even if you have been diagnosed 3 months ago but impairment/treatment is expected to last more than 9 months in the future.

JammieCodger · 08/01/2020 12:38

So glad you’re reporting. This is sexual harassment and your employer has a legal duty to protect you against it. People in positions of power get comfortable with behaving like this because the victims minimise it, or worry what impact reporting will have on the perpetrator.

It happens to nice people because they’re nice. Show him he’s picked on the wrong woman this time!

Frariedeamin · 08/01/2020 17:16

Oh OP, this is horrible for you! I had a similar incident to you nearly 5 years ago, with a male colleague also based in the UAE. I did report and got the full support from my manager (Male) and his manager (female). The men who do this bank on the fact you won’t cause trouble or stir things up but any good manager will be equally appealed by this behaviour. I am glad you are speaking up. My only advice would be to be as factual as possible with a short concise statement as to how this made you feel (harassed etc) and emphasise how it is unprofessional behaviour. This will help dispel any counter argument on his part that you are just ‘an emotional woman’. This is what was thrown at me when I made my grievance! HR was not best pleased!

R2519 · 09/01/2020 07:50

How did it goes OP? Did you show your manager the messages?

GreatBigOnion61 · 09/01/2020 09:59

@R2519 I did. Being taken forward.

Thanks for checking in.

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Abraid2 · 09/01/2020 11:27

Good news!

CMOTDibbler · 09/01/2020 11:44

Good for you. I was worried about reporting the guy at my work, but HR were so supportive and said that even if there was no ill will/deliberate intent, it was important that they had the chance to educate people about appropriate behaviour so would rather hear about things that anyone was uncomfortable with

whydoihavetogothroughsomuch · 11/01/2020 15:02

Keep all messages. Perhaps speak with other female colleagues and see if they have experienced anything.

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