To think we can move the Labour party back to the centre by registering on 14-16 Jan...

[WarwickLife]

...if enough of us register to vote? The 48 hour window to register to vote in the leadership election has been announced as 14-16 January. I think it's worth £25 to join and have my say.

If enough of us do then perhaps we can actually get the centre left opposition that most people want and those who "reluctantly" voted Conservative can come back?

Partic Jess Phillips.

It's bound to be Starmer - Labour voters love someone with a title, and from the metropolitan elite. Especially a fantastic idea to have such a vocal Remainer as well - that'll bring the working class north who lent their votes to the Tories running right back .

Well done, you middle class Guardian readers - after all, we've only got the Tories for five years at the moment: why not give them another five years by putting Smary Starmer in the lead?

I don't know what the answer is but do you not think if the public wanted a centre party this time the Lib Dems or Change UK would have done better? This current government is not a centrist one.

Just join the fucking lib dems. This polite response to 2 years of 'just fuck of and vote tory' has just led to Labour having the heaviest defeat in living memory.

Yes, but they won the argument.

Anyone who stood up and asked what Labour could do to get back the people who voted Tory was shouted down. "We don't want Tory votes!"

A doorstep of psephology on how to hold the middle-ground was junked in favour of a strategy based on fresh air and wishful thinking. The people who did not vote would be energised by promises of free broadband (wtff?) and student fees abolished with a socialist magic wand. A party hell-bent on denouncing and trashing its own record in office. Blairite! - an insult akin to seventeenth century puritans denouncing other puritans who aren't puritanny enough.

(especially Gordon Brown, the worst Blairite of all.)

These post-lobotomy fuckwits need their own party to screw up. If they wish to keep hold of the Labour Party, let them have it.

Labour needs to stay to the left economically otherwise there’s no point to the party. They just need a better leader. Voters don’t particularly want the centre or they would have backed the Lib Dems.

Agree @ferntwist

Not a member of Momentum but will probably vote for Rebecca. I certainly don’t want a move to the right.

Labour needs to stay to the left economically otherwise there’s no point to the party.

It shows incredible optics to think that renationalisation at below market rates and government take over of 'large companies' with over 250 employees will get a maximum of £500 a year bonus from profits as center left.

It clearly ignores the fact the country has always been center right economically, even the nordic countries that is so often famed as one we should emulate don't dare impliment such measures and have a mixed healthcare model and stricter restrictions on accessing out of work benefits.

It's becoming laughable how out of touch some really are, and they pretend it is the other side who are less educated.

Not a member of Momentum but will probably vote for Rebecca.

Rebecca is Corbyn but with a vagina and a northern accent but with added IDPOL, it really isn't having any understanding of what the situation is and just hoping that eventually everyone gets sick of the current Tory government.

You may as well go full momentum and think 2 left shoes is your next vote if RLB doesn't stand.

I think I may have said this a hundred times now. The lib dems are not a centre left party they are a liberal party, completely different.

I'm joining and voting either Lisa Nandy ot the other one from Ashton, forget her name.
Love Lisa.

I'm a Northern, working class voter, voted Remain and will be voting for Starmer.

It's not moving to the right.

It's occupying the centre from the left.

The point is to do whatever is required to win, not to lose and say you won the argument. With argumental victories like the last one, you don't need defeats.

Exactly @Mockers. Those suggesting Starmer is right wing have got it all wrong! He is left, but the key word is moderate which is what is desperately needed if they are to get votes. (And to counter the right wing gov).

hose suggesting Starmer is right wing have got it all wrong! He is left, but the key word is moderate which is what is desperately needed if they are to get votes.

Starmer is somewhat neolib, this isn't about countering the right wing, its about labour supporters who loudly profess any one but tory having to come to terms with them being center right economically

I'm hoping Dan Jarvis puts his name forward.

Not a member of Momentum but will probably vote for Rebecca. I certainly don’t want a move to the right.

Respect your opinion but have you looked into Lisa Nandy? She's a socialist and talking much more honestly than RLB who, if we want to ever win again will not be our person.

• Especially a fantastic idea to have such a vocal Remainer as well - that'll bring the working class north who lent their votes to the Tories running right back hmm.

Well done, you middle class Guardian readers - after all, we've only got the Tories for five years at the moment: why not give them another five years by putting Smary Starmer in the lead*

If Brexit is a disaster (it will be) having an opposition leader who was a supporter of it won't be very helpful. A remainer, though not one who is going to start off by looking like they're still clinging onto what has passed, will be much better. I think Starmer would be ideal.

I'm thinking him first choice then either Jess or Emily Thornberry.

It's bound to be Starmer - Labour voters love someone with a title, and from the metropolitan elite.
Gotta love people who get their information about Starmer from the Express

Starmer is the best chance of labour actually winning power.

I resigned after the EU elections due to the Brexit indecision and the expulsion of Alistair Campbell for not voting Labour. I self-expelled myself for not voting Labour too, I voted Green.

I’ve just rejoined, and will be voting for Keir Starmer as leader. I wished months ago that Corbyn would have stood down for him

pretend the NHS was up for sale,

Just I'd guess from that remark that you don't use the NHS much or have friends who work within it. Stealth privatisation is already happening to the NHS & it isn't working either & it's cranking up thanks to the election result. For example, locally the Appointments service is now ran by a private company & they are wasting appointments left right & centre thanks to not adequately letting patients know that they actually have an appointment, leading to no show & patients taken off the waiting list without ever knowing they've missed an appointment. That's just one example out of many. So I'm not sure who swallowed the propaganda here, but it isn't me🙄

The NHS has had private companies running parts of the service for years

It’s nothing new

Why because the NHS is unsustainable it has to be reformed we don’t need to look to the US when European countries are managing a much better service for patients without insurance companies charging huge costs to make huge profits

The point is to do whatever is required to win, not to lose and say you won the argument. With argumental victories like the last one, you don't need defeats.

^^This - totally. I find it outrageous that people honestly believe that winning the argument is better than winning the fucking election. It's estimated that there have been 130,000 deaths due to austerity which could have been prevented. I wonder how many more people will die needlessly in the next 5 years due to Tory policies and their legacy of austerity?

That issues of not informing patients will be sorted out and could be an issue with the IT systems - which in many areas are in need of updating. The costs of an efficient IT service with millions of people data that can be cross referenced has to come out of the NHS budget the money isn’t there

The issue of patients being late or just not turning up is a much bigger problem and costs the NHS millions

I am well aware that the funding cuts have damaged the NHS further but by throwing billions of pounds into a service that is broken isn’t going to fix it