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So minimum wage won’t be going up to £9 in April 2020 as pledged

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Lardlizard · 04/01/2020 20:31

What a suprise
Not going to call it, living wage as it isn’t

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LakieLady · 05/01/2020 15:48

At one time, minimum wage was entry level, and expected to be mainly young people at the beginning of their careers - indeed most supermarkets were advertising "above minimum wage salary". Now increasing numbers of jobs are MW, and increasing numbers of people are finding it difficult to get out of MW

And in the public sector, the pay freeze has narrowed the gap between the lower grades and minimum wage, so jobs that have previously been relatively well paid are now low paid.

Austerity has had the same effect on roles in the 3rd sector that are funded by local government or health. Pay has been frozen for existing staff and in some areas of work, pay scales have been reduced for staff who have joined since 2010.

Twelve years ago, my old job paid around 2.5 times min wage. Now, that same job pays 1.25 times minimum wage. In relative terms, pay has been halved.

It won't be long before staff are leaving to take up jobs where they're pulling pints or cleaning toilets.

Cryingoverspilttea · 05/01/2020 15:51

Not being funny OP but when you take in to account the increase in personal allowance it wont be far off. Also £8.76 is not a actually a bad wage ffs if you have two adults working full time. If you think it is then you need to rework your bloody finances, spend your money better or pay down your debts.

HavelockVetinari · 05/01/2020 15:51

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Cryingoverspilttea · 05/01/2020 15:51

And I say that as someone on minimum wage!!!

Frequency · 05/01/2020 15:58

What gets me about the argument that MW workers need to better themselves is; it's impossible. There have always been and will always be a large number of people in low, skilled, low paid work. It's how society functions. We need those people who are willing to clean our streets, empty our bins, care for our elderly, serve us in shops, care for our children and so on. Society would cease to function without those people.

A brain surgeon would not be able to qualify if the people cleaning and maintaining the uni they attended, cleaning and maintaining the roads they use to get to work and delivering the food they eat to the shops they shop at where they're served by NMW workers.

Why should a large chunk of society be forced to subsist on the scraps thrown at them from the top because some middle class assholes think they need encouragement to better themselves?

At the end of the day, if your business cannot survive without the government topping up your wage bill then your business is not viable in it's current form.

DerbyshireGirly · 05/01/2020 16:47

So we should all have the same standard of living no matter what jobs we do or what we contribute?

Drabarni · 05/01/2020 16:53

Does anyone trust Cons, they voted to keep Corbyn out, nobody in their right mind would vote for Boris.
Maybe a really dense person would Grin

Clavinova · 05/01/2020 16:57

GoldfishRampage
Couldn't help myself!

MereDintofPandiculation
If we accept that MW isn't enough to bring up a child, that's a lot of people who are going to be childless, with a knock on effect to population age structure and support for those unable to work
through age or infirmity.

But we were discussing single wage earners - ideally you wouldn't plan to have a baby if you were single and earning the minimum wage.

Biber
Boris Johnson is on track at the moment; "In setting the 2020 pay floor at £8.72 an hour, Johnson has hit the median benchmark." He's not responsible for George Osborne's forecast in 2015 - the left-wing press just thought they would remind everyone of it.

Institute for Fiscal Studies analysis/BBC;

"The UK already has one of the world's highest minimum wages."

"When [if] it reaches £10.50, it will be two-thirds of the median (middle) wage. It is likely to affect one in four employees and will be extended to all employees aged 21 and over by the mid 2020s."

"Only five industrialised countries - France, Portugal, New Zealand, Israel and Korea - had a higher minimum hourly wage (as a proportion of average salaries) than the UK in 2018.The planned increases would probably take the UK to the top of the table."

"More than six out of 10 people currently on the minimum wage work part-time. A similar number are women, and almost nine out of 10 work in the private sector."

"However, while raising the minimum wage is often seen as a way to reduce poverty, it is not that simple."

"Only one in five of those on the lowest wages lives in the UK's poorest households."

"This may be because many people on low incomes have a partner who earns more - raising their household income to a higher level."

Procreation will continue!

However:

"Many of the very poorest people are not affected by the minimum wage.This may be because they are out of work, or because they are self-employed."

"What are the risks of a higher minimum wage?"

"Given that minimum wages benefit low-paid workers, why not keep on raising them?"

"First, unless higher wages make workers more productive, they come at a cost."

"That could mean increasing prices paid by consumers, cutting profits for companies, or cutting wages for other workers. It could also mean cutting back on other parts of workers' pay, such as paid holidays, or pension contributions."

"Second, there is a risk that higher minimum wages might lead employers to give fewer people jobs, or to cut hours."

"With few countries offering higher minimum wages than the UK, it is difficult to look for the answer overseas."

"There is an extra risk in the government's announcement: extending the higher minimum wage to younger workers aged 21 to 24."

"Where studies have found negative effects of minimum wages on employment, they tend to be bigger for younger workers."

(Jeremy Corbyn wanted to give 16 year olds £10 an hour!)

"Therefore, watching what happens as the minimum wage rises - particularly among younger workers - will be essential to avoid any unwanted consequences."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47699571

Drabarni · 05/01/2020 16:59

If we all bettered ourselves, ito wages who would do the jobs that paid poorly.
Will the rich start paying their staff a lot more to enable them to better themselves.
Those with cleaners, will they drop them an extra £50 per week, don't think so.
If you have an elder in a care home, just tip the carer £100 a month, nah, keep them low waged, at the bottom where they belong.
What a shitty attitude.

Frequency · 05/01/2020 17:05

So we should all have the same standard of living no matter what jobs we do or what we contribute?

No-one suggested that DerbyshireGirly. Of course a brain surgeon should get more than a street cleaner but the street cleaner should still get enough on to live a reasonable lifestyle, by reasonable I mean the essentials plus a few small treats with enough left at the end of the month to save for larger treats like a holiday every few years or a mortgage deposit.

If bringing the street cleaner's wage up means he is now on the same wage as a middle manager then common sense dictates that the middle manager's pay will rise. You wouldn't accept promotion if you stayed on the same wage as the office junior, would you? The solution to making things better for everyone is to pull up from the bottom not push down from the top.

chomalungma · 05/01/2020 17:45

You wouldn't accept promotion if you stayed on the same wage as the office junior, would you

That's an interesting question. One I am sure many companies are facing. Would you want a whole load of extra responsibilty for an extra 50p per hour?

When the gap starts to close between the 'minimum wage' job and the jobs above it. won't people on the jobs a bit above NMW want extra money?

transformandriseup · 05/01/2020 18:01

When the gap starts to close between the 'minimum wage' job and the jobs above it. won't people on the jobs a bit above NMW want extra money?

10 years ago I started out earning 30% above minimum wage with minimal responsibilities. Now I have 12 years experience and have three times the responsibility I now earn just 10% above minimum wage.

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chomalungma · 05/01/2020 18:06

Now I have 12 years experience and have three times the responsibility I now earn just 10% above minimum wage

How do you feel about that?

PerkingFaintly · 05/01/2020 19:40

Posters who are arguing that the minimum wage shouldn't rise like this, what do you think about the fact that Boris Johnson's Tory party repeated the Tories' promise to raise it in the Tory manifesto?

Did you think this was a sign that the Tories don't understand business and finances, and won't be good stewards of the British economy?

Or did you think that the Tories never intended to do this? Do you think they crammed their manifesto with those specific figures and details – just to mislead?

"We'll say this so the working poor vote for us; hur hur too late now suckers! Ciao!"

I'm interested to know.

Lardlizard · 05/01/2020 23:34

Crying I’m a sahm !

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