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Using E-cigarette in a meeting

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StrawberryShortbread2001 · 04/01/2020 11:37

I'm a support worker and work on a ward. E-cigs are allowed in the communal rooms (lounge, dining room) and the bedrooms. The only time they're not allowed is in ward round.

We were having a community meeting which we have every week. E-cigarettes are allowed to be used during the meeting. This was a special meeting about a certain issue so as well as the usual service users, nurses, support workers, occupational therapists and social worker - the consultant, head social worker, psychologist and hospital manager were there. One of the service users was engaging and putting a point across with a bit of back and forth. She was using her e-cig when not talking. Suddenly the hospital manager looked at her a bit horrified and said 'are you smoking?' She said 'No! I'm using a e-cigarette' The consultant then jumped in to say she shouldn't be using it. She was embarrassed and confused at being called out on it and stopped engaging in the meeting. At the end she spoke to the consultant to tell him they always used e-cigarettes in the merting and he told her she should have known not to use it and she needs to be more flexible in her thinking.

Am I right to think 1. If e-cigs weren't to be used it should have been announced at the beginning of the meeting and 2. She shouldn't have been called out in public like that

It caused the service user a lot of upset and has really wound me up!

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StrawberryShortbread2001 · 04/01/2020 12:01

@worraliberty - almost all the service users use them so wouldn't ask those around if it was ok. It is completely normal for them to use them in their lounge.

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WorraLiberty · 04/01/2020 12:01

The only time they're not allowed is in ward round.

Why is that?

StrawberryShortbread2001 · 04/01/2020 12:05

@cakeandgin - it wasn't a colleague - it was a service user. It is a low secure unit so they can't walk to the main entrance.

Thanks for all the replies. I can see the thinking around not using e-cigs in meetings but then probably noone would engage atall.

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Toddlerteaplease · 04/01/2020 12:06

I am amazed that they are allowed to be used at all during work hours!

Toddlerteaplease · 04/01/2020 12:07

And as a non vaper I wouldn't be at all happy about constantly being surrounded by vapes.

PepsiLola · 04/01/2020 12:07

Gosh! The whole using an e-cigarette whilst working just seems unprofessional

Gonetoget · 04/01/2020 12:07

I think it should be treated the same way as smoking, they're a relatively new thing and we don't know of the long term effects of using them yet, I certainly wouldn't want to sit in a meeting with someone puffing away on them.
Does it expressly say that e cigs can be used, or is it that no one has said you can't. As i say they are a relatively new thing, so many organisations probably haven't got official policies on them.

Dollymixture22 · 04/01/2020 12:09

I think the doctor should have been more sensitive to the id visual and more aware of the policy.

This wasn’t a meeting of professionals.

I absolutely hate e-cigarettes And would not like to be in an environment where they are commonly used. But thankfully I can control my own home environment and they are banned In work.

edsheeransgingerbeard · 04/01/2020 12:09

Can people please read the OP? It was a service user not a professional using the e-cigarette, and it had always been allowed previously!

StrawberryShortbread2001 · 04/01/2020 12:09

@upperlowercase - vapes aren't allowed - only e-cigarettes. They don't cause smoke/smell. Currently we don't have any service users who don't use them. I've never seen one that doesn't upset with it though as it doesn't really affect them but we should look out for that. But remember this is not a public place like a cafe - it is the service users home. Having a ward full of nicotine addicted women and not allowed e-cigs would be hard to manage, I think.

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Dollymixture22 · 04/01/2020 12:10

To the individual not I visual!

StrawberryShortbread2001 · 04/01/2020 12:11

@recrudesence - agree and much better for our service users than cigarettes.

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SimonJT · 04/01/2020 12:11

I had e-cigs before I had vapes, they most definitely do smell.

I hope the employer has some hefty insurance in place, in the future staff members could suffer ill health from being forced to work in such an environment.

DickDewy · 04/01/2020 12:11

I'm amazed that they are allowed to be used too. How unprofessional.

I'd refuse to be in a meeting in people were vaping.

Redonionmarmaladedemon · 04/01/2020 12:11

I think it’s disgraceful that they are used at work. I don’t want to inhale any of that crap. It’s selfish behaviour to even consider it being ok.

Ffsnosexallowed · 04/01/2020 12:12

Lots of folk missing the point that it is an inpatient who is vaping - not an employee.

Alsohuman · 04/01/2020 12:12

Gosh! The whole using an e-cigarette whilst working just seems unprofessional

She wasn’t working. She was a service user in a meeting where the use of e cigarettes is permitted. It’s shocking that two senior people arbitrarily attempted to move the goal posts and humiliated her. When the BMA backs the use of vapes and e cigarettes, the health argument has no weight, it’s purely an extension of the stigma carried by smoking.

wombat1a · 04/01/2020 12:12

Don't see the manager did anything wrong, they thought someone was smoking and asked if they were - they got a reply saying no it was an e-cig. Nothing wrong in that, if the answer had been yes then they would have been quite in their rights to say it's not allowed.

Consultant seems to have gotten ahead of themselves here and should relearn the policy and a private sorry to the patient should suffice.

Ffsnosexallowed · 04/01/2020 12:13

In terms of supporting people with mental health problems to stop smoking allowing vaping is great.

WorraLiberty · 04/01/2020 12:13

Why are they not allowed on ward rounds?

Dipsydoodle · 04/01/2020 12:14

IT WAS A SERVICE USER. I'm sure this will still get ignored...

But yes I think the consultant was BU if they are allowed to vape on the ward, particularly as the cost seems to have been silencing someone in a meeting presumably meant to allow them to talk freely. A general rule to be implemented after would be a lot less targeted and wouldn't have humiliated the service user and stopped her speaking up. It's about engagement.

StrawberryShortbread2001 · 04/01/2020 12:14

@cornetto - vapes are not allowed only e-cigarettes. The rest of the country is allowed to use an e-cigarette in their lounge so why can't service users? There isn't always a way for them to use e-cigs if not allowed off the ward and if so they are still limited/restricted.

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Dipsydoodle · 04/01/2020 12:15

*have e-cigarettes, not vape. Sorry used wrong terminology

Nanny0gg · 04/01/2020 12:15

They are as horrible as cigarettes

No, they’re not.

Yes, they are.

They may or may not be as toxic but they are as horrible.

turkeyontheplate · 04/01/2020 12:16

I agree with everything LadyMacBeth said. Very insensitive behaviour from the hospital manager and consultant.

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