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TruthOnTrial · 30/12/2019 12:07

I am wondering about any that are contemplating pregnancy at a time when the world weather is in crisis, fires ranging out of control across Aus, also california, and others. Floods regularly now around the UK, tornados even and more extreme weather generally, a summer just gone with record heatwave temps.

Many are making a decision to not start a family as the continuing viability of life on earth is ever more unsure.

Half a billion animals killed in the Aus fires alone. People having to lock themselves indoors and residents considering leaving Aus for good.

Is it U to consider bringing future children into this?

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Matildatoldsuchdreadfullies · 31/12/2019 14:17

I may have missed it, OP, but you were asked whether you had children, and I don’t think you’ve actually answered the question.

FWIW, I have 4 teenagers, so I’m about as environmentally unfriendly as it’s possible to be, despite using reusable nappies when they were babies, and my long-standing love affair with charity shops. I try to reduce, reuse, recycle. I don’t drive. But I can’t offset my children. Who I think do have a future despite all the apocalyptic scenarios that are being peddled.

TruthOnTrial · 31/12/2019 14:48

No, I dont think I mention my status anywhere as in the greater context of things it seems irrelevant, whether I am trying to decide to have dc or not, or whether I already have them.

My point was really that its a bigger concern as a world community, not sure about the assertion that the realities unfolding are somehow not real.

There seem to be a few of the climate change conspiracists on here, like Trump, who says it's fake news.

I don't think it's fake and wonder at the responsibility of bringing children to face that in their lives.

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titchy · 31/12/2019 15:22

but is becoming ever more dangerous for our children

Honestly OP have you even bothered to read any of the facts others have posted. Globally, this is the absolute safest time EVER to be born. Ever. A child born now, regardless of where, will on average have a far far far better life than any child born before now.

The fact that you have time and energy to even contemplate this proves how lucky you are. Do you hark back to a time where we all lived in mud huts, hunting and gathering? Next to no carbon footprint. A natural sustainable existence. Giving birth at 12. And dying at 20.

But hey, don't stop any actual facts getting in the way of your hyperbole.

TruthOnTrial · 31/12/2019 15:45

How rude. Yes, of course I've been reading the facts, listening to the scientists and the horrors unfolding around the world.

Are you selectively tuning out the realities of global warming and what this means for the next generation?

Have to come to say its fake news, that global warming is a conspiracy theory?

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Jillyhilly · 31/12/2019 15:52

listening to the scientists

Listen to different scientists. Seriously. Try Tony Heller, Judith Murray, Friends of Science and a whole bunch more I will post if you are interested.

titchy is right. Being born in the early 21st century in the West is like being given the golden ticket of life. Never has life been more comfortable or safer or easier. It is absolutely ridiculous that people are not taught this - along with a massive dose of appreciation.

titchy · 31/12/2019 15:56

Are you selectively tuning out the realities of global warming and what this means for the next generation?

Have you selectively tuned out the ice ages which the human race survived. Have you selectively tuned out the significantly higher global temperatures of the past which the human race survived. Have you selectively tuned out the massive advances made by humans - who generally start out as babies- that mean birth and life are significantly safer than they were, and life expectancy significantly longer than it was.

White I'm not denying the existence of climate change (though I think there are other more immediate, more significant and more dangerous concerns to the human race than climate change, and it's also undeniable that global temperatures have been much much higher than even the most ardent climate changer thinks the current issue of climate change will produce), I am denying that it's a global catastrophe akin to the apocalypse for our children.

TempsPerdu · 31/12/2019 16:13

Haven’t read the full thread. But imo the current state of the world should definitely give people pause for thought when considering future children. There’s the climate crisis, obviously, increasing scarcity of resources, but also things like the the U.K. economy post-Brexit, the potential for automation of many jobs and so on - things are changing quickly and dramatically and it’s all so very uncertain.

Perhaps a bit defeatist to use these as reasons not to reproduce at all - where are we if we no longer have hope for the future? - but DP and I have decided to stop at one child so we can focus all our resources on DD and still have a reasonable safety net if things go wrong. I think the days of having multiple DC without having to factor in the consequences - for both them and the planet - are long gone.

TruthOnTrial · 31/12/2019 16:15

No, haven't 'tuned out' any of that.

I just cannot see how this threat isn't taken so seriously by some.

So to you, this will all be turned around, or we will all adapt to a burning planet somehow? Or are you hanging on to occupy another planet, which is also a plan I hear.

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Newmetoday · 31/12/2019 16:17

Sick of the hyperbole on climate change.

TempsPerdu · 31/12/2019 16:22

Oh and I agree that at least in the West we’re fortunate enough to have been born into one of the safest and most prosperous periods in history. I’m not one of those who feels hopeless about humanity’s future. But now we’re all much more aware of some potential very real risks to our comfortable status quo we need to step up and start taking action. A big part of that involves thinking very, very carefully about how many children we as individuals can provide for, and how many the planet can support - even if we don’t much like the answers we come up with.

ilovethickboys2 · 31/12/2019 16:27

you are being extremely unreasonable OP!! Shock I have four darling babies and I think it isn't selfish at allShockShock

AwakeAmbs · 31/12/2019 16:29

I half agree with you. For me though, I felt I needed to have kids and after I had them it changed me, I’m now fighting for change and my kids are growing up vegan and aware x

ProfessionalBoss · 31/12/2019 16:29

I don't think I'll ever understand the mentality of the people who say shit like "I regret having children now" well aren't you just demonstrating that you are indeed a shitty person who doesn't deserve to call themselves a parent... I get it, Mumsnet is "anonymous", and your children probably won't see what you're writing, but what if they do work out that it's you? Or are you brave enough to tell them to their faces that you regret having them? I just cannot understand people who are like this...

OstrichRunning · 31/12/2019 16:30

Op, you seem to be taking the human race for a one-dimensional, static set of folk who all always do exactly the same thing and think the sane way. Like this is all a matter of maths, simple logic.

Which of course it isn't! Some people are part of the solution. Over time, awareness of and concern over the climate crisis have grown. Things are terrifying right now but I'm calling bullshit on this calm, 'wouldn't it be better if we just let ourselves die out' line. Like a couple of pp pointed out, it's a hyperbolic. And it doesn't acknowledge that there is still hope.

Sorry if that's a bit harsh.

OstrichRunning · 31/12/2019 16:30

*same

PlanDeRaccordement · 31/12/2019 16:31

Mum2two
I'm curious to know how have we solved most of the plastic problem?

Sorry I was not clear. I was trying to say we have solved every other pollution problem (ozone hole, clean air, clean water, renewable energy, electric & hydrogen cars) and that plastic is just the latest problem we are facing. I didn’t mean to give impression it is completely solved. Although we are getting close with the development of edible and compostable plastics made from bio oils plus the discovery of plastic eating bacteria and accelerant enzymes to safely break down the old plastic microparticles.

titchy · 31/12/2019 16:32

we will all adapt to a burning planet somehow

The planet has been a fuck of a lot hotter than climate change will result in. And yes life, including humans survived. With far fewer resources and experience than we have now. So yeah, we'll be ok.

Besidesthepoint · 31/12/2019 16:32

No, I dont think I mention my status anywhere as in the greater context of things it seems irrelevant, whether I am trying to decide to have dc or not, or whether I already have them.

So you're telling us not to have kids but it is irrelevant if you still want to have them?

PlanDeRaccordement · 31/12/2019 16:41

now looks like 1.5 degrees of warming is unavoidable, and we are on course for 3+ degrees of warming by 2050 which would melt the ice caps and cause massive and irreversible weather system collapse.

Yes the polar ice caps might melt AGAIN, but that won’t result in a “massive and irreversible weather system collapse”. It will simply result in different weather patterns and different ocean currents.

Really sick of the hyperbole and scaremongering. And exploiting natural disaster of a bush fire happening to burn one small town is disgusting. Australia and other countries get bush or forest fires every year. There were droughts and fires before humans settled there.

titchy · 31/12/2019 16:42

I think what OP and others are missing, is that this is a current blip in the 4 billion year history of the world. We've had asteroids that wiped out dinosaurs, a far bigger greenhouse effect than now, far more poison in the air than now, far colder temperatures than now, far hotter temperatures than now, plus volcanoes earthquakes tsunamis etc etc. Whether man made or natural, big big global disasters happen. And Earth and life adapts and gets over it and thrives.

You look at this one generation - a microscopic 25 years, as if it's significant. Look at the entire 3 billion years of life. Climate change in that context is utterly insignificant. Add to that the fact that children born now will have a far far better life than children ever before and it makes your argument pretty ignorant and naive.

And actually that's good - it means you're privileged to have the space to think that!

Jillyhilly · 31/12/2019 16:45

You need to read this OP (and everyone else who is doom-mongering about the end of days).

We’ve just had the best decade in human history. Seriously

MATT RIDLEY

Let nobody tell you that the second decade of the 21st century has been a bad time. We are living through the greatest improvement in human living standards in history. Extreme poverty has fallen below 10 per cent of the world’s population for the first time. It was 60 per cent when I was born. Global inequality has been plunging as Africa and Asia experience faster economic growth than Europe and North America; child mortality has fallen to record low levels; famine virtually went extinct; malaria, polio and heart disease are all in decline.

Little of this made the news, because good news is no news. But I’ve been watching it all closely. Ever since I wrote The Rational Optimist in 2010, I’ve been faced with ‘what about…’ questions: what about the great recession, the euro crisis, Syria, Ukraine, Donald Trump? How can I possibly say that things are getting better, given all that? The answer is: because bad things happen while the world still gets better. Yet get better it does, and it has done so over the course of this decade at a rate that has astonished even starry-eyed me.

Perhaps one of the least fashionable predictions I made nine years ago was that ‘the ecological footprint of human activity is probably shrinking’ and ‘we are getting more sustainable, not less, in the way we use the planet’. That is to say: our population and economy would grow, but we’d learn how to reduce what we take from the planet. And so it has proved. An MIT scientist, Andrew McAfee, recently documented this in a book called More from Less, showing how some nations are beginning to use less stuff: less metal, less water, less land. Not just in proportion to productivity: less stuff overall.

This does not quite fit with what the Extinction Rebellion lot are telling us. But the next time you hear Sir David Attenborough say: ‘Anyone who thinks that you can have infinite growth on a planet with finite resources is either a madman or an economist’, ask him this: ‘But what if economic growth means using less stuff, not more?’ For example, a normal drink can today contains 13 grams of aluminium, much of it recycled. In 1959, it contained 85 grams. Substituting the former for the latter is a contribution to economic growth, but it reduces the resources consumed per drink.

As for Britain, our consumption of ‘stuff’ probably peaked around the turn of the century — an achievement that has gone almost entirely unnoticed. But the evidence is there. In 2011 Chris Goodall, an investor in electric vehicles, published research showing that the UK was now using not just relatively less ‘stuff’ every year, but absolutely less. Events have since vindicated his thesis. The quantity of all resources consumed per person in Britain (domestic extraction of biomass, metals, minerals and fossil fuels, plus imports minus exports) fell by a third between 2000 and 2017, from 12.5 tonnes to 8.5 tonnes. That’s a faster decline than the increase in the number of people, so it means fewer resources consumed overall.

If this doesn’t seem to make sense, then think about your own home. Mobile phones have the computing power of room-sized computers of the 1970s. I use mine instead of a camera, radio, torch, compass, map, calendar, watch, CD player, newspaper and pack of cards. LED light bulbs consume about a quarter as much electricity as incandescent bulbs for the same light. Modern buildings generally contain less steel and more of it is recycled. Offices are not yet paperless, but they use much less paper.

Even in cases when the use of stuff is not falling, it is rising more slowly than expected. For instance, experts in the 1970s forecast how much water the world would consume in the year 2000. In fact, the total usage that year was half as much as predicted. Not because there were fewer humans, but because human inventiveness allowed more efficient irrigation for agriculture, the biggest user of water.

Until recently, most economists assumed that these improvements were almost always in vain, because of rebound effects: if you cut the cost of something, people would just use more of it. Make lights less energy-hungry and people leave them on for longer. This is known as the Jevons paradox, after the 19th-century economist William Stanley Jevons, who first described it. But Andrew McAfee argues that the Jevons paradox doesn’t hold up. Suppose you switch from incandescent to LED bulbs in your house and save about three-quarters of your electricity bill for lighting. You might leave more lights on for longer, but surely not four times as long.

Efficiencies in agriculture mean the world is now approaching ‘peak farmland’ — despite the growing number of people and their demand for more and better food, the productivity of agriculture is rising so fast that human needs can be supplied by a shrinking amount of land. In 2012, Jesse Ausubel of Rockefeller University and his colleagues argued that, thanks to modern technology, we use 65 per cent less land to produce a given quantity of food compared with 50 years ago. By 2050, it’s estimated that an area the size of India will have been released from the plough and the cow.

Land-sparing is the reason that forests are expanding, especially in rich countries. In 2006 Ausubel worked out that no reasonably wealthy country had a falling stock of forest, in terms of both tree density and acreage. Large animals are returning in abundance in rich countries; populations of wolves, deer, beavers, lynx, seals, sea eagles and bald eagles are all increasing; and now even tiger numbers are slowly climbing.

Perhaps the most surprising statistic is that Britain is using steadily less energy. John Constable of the Global Warming Policy Forum points out that although the UK’s economy has almost trebled in size since 1970, and our population is up by 20 per cent, total primary inland energy consumption has actually fallen by almost 10 per cent. Much of that decline has happened in recent years. This is not necessarily good news, Constable argues: although the improving energy efficiency of light bulbs, aeroplanes and cars is part of the story, it also means we are importing more embedded energy in products, having driven much of our steel, aluminium and chemical industries abroad with some of the highest energy prices for industry in the world.

In fact, all this energy-saving might cause problems. Innovation requires experiments (most of which fail). Experiments require energy. So cheap energy is crucial — as shown by the industrial revolution. Thus, energy may be the one resource that a prospering population should be using more of. Fortunately, it is now possible that nuclear fusion will one day deliver energy in minimalist form, using very little fuel and land.

Since its inception, the environmental movement has been obsessed by finite resources. The two books that kicked off the green industry in the early 1970s, The Limits to Growth in America and Blueprint for Survival in Britain, both lamented the imminent exhaustion of metals, minerals and fuels. The Limits to Growth predicted that if growth continued, the world would run out of gold, mercury, silver, tin, zinc, copper and lead well before 2000. School textbooks soon echoed these claims.

This caused the economist Julian Simon to challenge the ecologist Paul Ehrlich to a bet that a basket of five metals (chosen by Ehrlich) would cost less in 1990 than in 1980. The Stone Age did not end for lack of stone, Simon said, arguing that we would find substitutes if metals grew scarce. Simon won the bet easily, although Ehrlich wrote the cheque with reluctance, sniping that ‘the one thing we’ll never run out of is imbeciles’. To this day none of those metals has significantly risen in price or fallen in volume of reserves, let alone run out. (One of my treasured possessions is the Julian Simon award I won in 2012, made from the five metals.)

A modern irony is that many green policies advocated now would actually reverse the trend towards using less stuff. A wind farm requires far more concrete and steel than an equivalent system based on gas. Environmental opposition to nuclear power has hindered the generating system that needs the least land, least fuel and least steel or concrete per megawatt. Burning wood instead of coal in power stations means the exploitation of more land, the eviction of more woodpeckers — and even higher emissions. Organic farming uses more land than conventional. Technology has put us on a path to a cleaner, greener planet. We don’t need to veer off in a new direction. If we do, we risk retarding progress.

As we enter the third decade of this century, I’ll make a prediction: by the end of it, we will see less poverty, less child mortality, less land devoted to agriculture in the world. There will be more tigers, whales, forests and nature reserves. Britons will be richer, and each of us will use fewer resources. The global political future may be uncertain, but the environmental and technological trends are pretty clear — and pointing in the right direction.

Matt Ridley’s article appears in the Christmas issue of The Spectator

Stefoscope · 31/12/2019 16:47

It's nothing new though. We were taught about global warming quite extensively when I was at Primary school in the late 80s early 90s. The evolution of civilisation has hardly been plain sailing since the dawn of time. It's likely the planet will be able to sustain human life for quite a few generations yet Wink.

I think if people want kids and can provide for them they should have them. If they care about saving the planet then educate the future generations and live as sustainably as possible. If they don't want to then they don't have to. No need to turn it into another subject to virtue signal about.

PlanDeRaccordement · 31/12/2019 16:53

Jillyhilly...fantastic post. Thank you for sharing it.

whiskey03 · 31/12/2019 16:54

A study, published in Environmental Research Letters, sets out the impact of different actions on a comparable basis. By far the biggest ultimate impact is having one fewer child, which the researchers calculated equated to a reduction of 58 tonnes of CO2 for each year of a parent’s life. Climate change is jobs war or threat of a nuclear bomb it is much broader than that and is not going to just stop.

Also to those who state but people in 3rd world countries have more children - they aren't such an environmental damage - a typical British person would take roughly four days to generate the same amount of carbon emissions that a person in Tanzania would take a year to create.

People who are having more children are in my opinion not thinking about the future of their existing children.Climate scientists have been saying all along that one of the primary effects of climate change is the disruption of the water cycle and this will impact that climate change is having (and will have)on drinking water supplies, sanitation, food and energy production. Before bringing more children in the work research the effect of global warming and think about wether its fair to your existing child or children to have another . It is not going to go away and there's no real solution.

whiskey03 · 31/12/2019 17:00

There is an article from the guardian below disgusting Mark and staying that he knighthood the rich what they want to hear

Ridley, author of The Rational Optimist. Photograph: Mark Pinder
It's a hackneyed image, I admit, but I'm beginning to feel like the boy who noticed that the monarch was suffering from a serious wardrobe malfunction. In this case, however, the story's not working out like the original: it seldom does. Exposed, the emperor continues to strut about naked while everyone keeps oohing and aahing over his fine vestments. He confidently asserts that the boy is wrong and he is in fact fully clothed. Desperate to believe that this is true, the crowd agrees. The more you point out the obvious truth, the more defensive and aggressive he becomes.

A couple of weeks ago, I wrote a column for the Guardian exploring the contrast between Matt Ridley's assertions in his new book The Rational Optimist and his own experience. In the book, Ridley attacks the "parasitic bureaucracy", which stifles free enterprise and excoriates governments for, among other sins, bailing out big corporations. If only the market is left to its own devices, he insists, and not stymied by regulations, the outcome will be wonderful for everybody.

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What Ridley glosses over is that before he wrote this book he had an opportunity to put his theories into practice. As chairman of Northern Rock, he was responsible, according to parliament's Treasury select committee, for a "high-risk, reckless business strategy". Northern Rock was able to pursue this strategy as a result of a "substantial failure of regulation" by the state. The wonderful outcome of this experiment was the first run on a British bank since 1878, and a £27bn government bail-out.

But it's not just Ridley who doesn't mention the inconvenient disjunction between theory and practice: hardly anyone does. His book has now been reviewed dozens of times, and almost all the reviewers have either been unaware of his demonstration of what happens when his philosophy is applied or too polite to mention it. The reason, as far as I can see, is that Ridley is telling people – especially rich, powerful people – what they want to hear.

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He tells them that they needn't worry about social or environmental issues, because these will sort themselves out if the market is liberated from government control. He tells them that they are right to assert that government should get off their backs and stop interfering with its pettifogging rules and regulations: they should be left alone to make as much money as they like, however they like. He tells them that poorly regulated greed of the kind that he oversaw at Northern Rock is, in fact, a great moral quest, which makes the world a better place. I expect the executives of BP have each ordered several copies.

Just imagine what the response would have been if someone who tells the rich and powerful what they don't want to hear had caused the first run on a British bank in 130 years and had to go crawling to the people he had spent years attacking for a £27bn bailout. Imagine that this person, having learned nothing from the experience, then published a book insisting that the strategy he applied with such catastrophic consequences should be rolled out universally.

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Crucifixion wouldn't have been good enough for him. Reviewers and leader writers would pile in, heaping execrations on his head. But because Ridley preaches the business gospel, he's being celebrated throughout the rightwing press, as well as in parts of the liberal media (sometimes I wonder whether we're too liberal for our own good).

When someone explains an inconvenient truth about politics that the business elite reviles, it is immediately taken up and echoed in hundreds of blogs and articles. When, as I have found many times before, you explain an inconvenient truth about neoliberal or anti-environmental ideas, it is met with silence. The media simply looks the other way. There is a massive rightwing echo chamber. Nothing comparable exists on the left.

I also pointed out that Ridley had made a series of shocking errors and distortions in his book. I showed how he had misrepresented economic history, made claims that bore no relation to the references he gave, and reeled off facts about the environment which were just plain wrong. Again, none of this has been picked up by Ridley's reviewers.

Ridley himself has claimed that his shocking mistakes aren't mistakes at all, then proceeds to compound them with a series of spurious justifications. Here are a few examples:

  1. I pointed out that his claim that "Enron-funded climate alarmism" is not supported by the source he gives. Now, Ridley cites another URL to prove that even though he didn't know it at the time he was right all along, because it shows that Enron did in fact fund climate alarmism. Only one problem: it doesn't. So that's two false sources for one false claim. Good going Matt.
  1. Ridley hilariously maintained that "no significant error has come to light" in Bjørn Lomborg's book The Sceptical Environmentalist. I pointed out that it contains so many significant errors that an entire book – The Lomborg Deception by Howard Friel – was required to document them. Now, without having read Friel's book, Ridley accepts that it is all nonsense on the word of … Bjørn Lomborg! Quite right too: what more objective reviewer of a book about Bjørn Lomborg's errors could there be than, er, Bjørn Lomborg? Ridley then has the blazing chutzpah to state that "Monbiot should be embarrassed to be relying on a source of this quality". No, he doesn't mean Lomborg's rebuttal, he means Friel's book.
  1. In his book, Ridley asserts that "11 of 13 populations" of polar bears are "growing or steady". I pointed out that there are in fact 19 populations of polar bears, and cited the most comprehensive and widely-respected research, collated by the IUCN Polar Bear Specialist Group, which suggests that of those whose fluctuations have been measured, one is increasing, three are stable and eight are declining. Forgetting that he made a definitive statement about the bears' status in his book, Ridley now says that "nobody really knows the truth and lots of different claims are out there." Yes, but some are more credible than others. Ridley chose to ignore the most credible studies, while relying instead on: "(a) a source that doesn't mention polar bears, (b) an oil–industry funded source, and (c) a non–peer reviewed lecture at an undisclosed location in an undisclosed month and year".

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The quote is from Howard Friel, who has been drawn into this debate by Ridley's gross mischaracterisation of his book, and has done some digging of his own.

So, given that Ridley has bothered to reply on this point, you'd imagine that he would come up with some powerful data to rebut the comprehensive study I cited. You'd be wrong. Instead he relies on an interview on CBC News with a local Canadian politician, who asserts that his impression, after talking to people who want to hunt polar bears or the animals which polar bears prey on, is that the Canadian Arctic population (not the total population you understand) isn't declining. No numbers, no analysis, no cited sources, no scientific study at all. Yes, dear reader, this really is Ridley's withering retort. And he calls himself a scientist.

  1. I accused Ridley of blatant cherry-picking in the following passage in The Rational Optimist: "Well alight, says the pessimist, but at what cost? The environment is surely deteriorating. In somewhere like Beijing, maybe. But in many other places, no. In Europe and America rivers, lakes, seas and the air are getting cleaner all the time. The Thames has less sewage and more fish. Lake Erie's water snakes, on the brink of extinction in the 1960s, are now abundant. Bald eagles have boomed. Pasadena has few smogs. Swedish birds' eggs have 75% fewer pollutants in them than in the 1960s."

I pointed out – as the Millennium Ecosystem Assessment shows – that of 65 global indicators of human impacts on biodiversity, only one – the extent of temperate forests – is improving. Eighteen are stable, in all the other cases the impacts are increasing. Ridley retorts that readers of the passage I've just cited "can judge if I am doing anything other than claiming that "in many places' environmental trends are positive." You certainly can. Take a look at these two sentences again: "The environment is surely deteriorating. In somewhere like Beijing, maybe."

Here Ridley makes an obvious attempt to suggest that environmental deterioration is confined to places like Beijing. Comparing these sentences to those that follow, any reader who didn't know better would assume that improvement is more common than deterioration.

If Ridley really believes that this passage isn't designed to suggest that the general trend is positive, his intellectual dishonesty runs deeper than I had imagined. And if he can't see that his selective treatment of the subject is blatant cherry-picking, it says more than he would care to about his standards of objectivity.

The other two refutations he attempts are just as wrong, but I would need several hundred more words in each case to explain why, and I won't try your patience any further. At the end of this farrago of nonsense, Ridley asserts that "Monbiot is entitled to his opinions but he has found precisely zero 'excruciating errors' in my book."

I'm sure he found himself very persuasive.

But if no one else is prepared to call him out on this, he will continue to get away with both the disavowal of his own record and the denial of his glaring mistakes. And he will continue to deceive the growing band of people who are treating his book as the self-justification they have always sought. Paradoxically, many of them are the same people who, devoted to free market principles, have been denouncing both the evil bankers who trashed the economy and the governments who bailed them out. If they knew a little more about Dr Ridley's interesting attempt to put his theories into practice, they might be less ready to believe his misleading assertions.

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