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this is what the Tories have done to the north

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spacepyramid · 20/12/2019 15:33

Yet still they voted for them...turkeys voting for xmas again

this is what the Tories have done to the north
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NameChangeNugget · 20/12/2019 16:10

Here are some straws for you to clutch for....

Confused
delineateddelinquent · 20/12/2019 16:10

Have you seen Nicola Sturgeon’s constituency?

If that’s not one of the poorest places in Europe then I’ll be shocked z😬

R1R2 · 20/12/2019 16:12

Yeah because Labour has done so much for the north when in power.

Seriouslyconfused3 · 20/12/2019 16:14

Yes I’d forgotten the days of northern prosperity under labour Hmm

Snowy111 · 20/12/2019 16:15

I still think it’s shocking that so many of the poorest regions of the EU are in the north of England, especially when we have one of the biggest economies in the world. I voted anti-Tory because I would like to see a fairer more equal society. Tory policy is all about the wealthy retaining wealth and always has been.

PettyContractor · 20/12/2019 16:16

According to the blog link below, it seems there has been some dishonesty in the use of statistics there. Who would have thunk it?

IN ADDITION I would also ask - "WHY NOT - Czech Republic? Latvia? Lithuania? Slovakia? They're in the EU AND NORTH OF AUSTRIA! PLUS THE DATA IS GIVEN IN THE REPORT" - The only reason they're not included is because the author wanted to manipulate it to bits%

www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/2ewxdx/please_do_not_believe_the_previous_post_about/

Bumpsadaisie · 20/12/2019 16:19

Every election it is the same thing. The Exit Poll comes up, and everyone on the Left is crushingly disappointed.

They say; why did the people not vote for what was good for them? They must be ill-informed, or misled, or put upon. If only the Tories were not so evil, if only they were better informed, if only Brexit had not dominated, if only we had had someone other than Corbyn .... etc.

It is very hard to accept the reality that, although the Left wants to promise all these good things to working class voters, something about it goes down very badly with the voters.

It is also hard to accept the reality that these voters might be voting in an informed way (i.e. not "Turkeys") and that Labour was simply not what was wanted.

Until there is some ability to engage with this reality and respect the voters I think we will see yet more disappointing Election Nights and crushed hopes on the Left.

I say this as a left wing leaning person.

DuckWillow · 20/12/2019 16:19

Thank you @ticking. So hard to ‘now what to trust and what not to trust at the moment.

Pfefferkuchen · 20/12/2019 16:20

The majority clearly didn't agree with you. Maybe try to research WHY and wonder if maybe, just maybe, it's you who is in the wrong about it...

Rubyroost · 20/12/2019 16:21

I think this was also likely under labour too. There's always been a North South sivide regardless of political party

Charlieiscool · 20/12/2019 16:21

Yes right, there’s no poverty at all in London.

PettyContractor · 20/12/2019 16:23

The Independent has also debunked this.

www.indy100.com/article/are-9-of-the-poorest-regions-in-northern-europe-really-in-the-uk--eJ0axHCqmx

The above image takes northern Europe to mean France, Germany, Belgium, Holland, Luxembourg, Austria, Ireland, Sweden, Finland and Denmark as northern European countries and our "near neighbours". Looking at those countries, the statement is true. But those countries are not actually in northern Europe, nor are they typically used together as indicators. It also excludes other "near neighbours" such as Italy, Spain and Greece, all of which have regions that are poorer or just as poor as the UK according to the Eurostat data.

and

It is also important that no British regions feature in the 20 poorest regions overall in the European Union according to the Eurostat data: they are all in Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Poland.

scaryteacher · 20/12/2019 16:25

Brussels floats on EU money, lots of very high spenders and earners live in and around there (just back after 13 years there), and Luxembourg has always been wealthy...especially since it's ex PM and FIN MIN (one JCJ) did deals with companies to base themselves there. They do very well from Paypal, Amazon, eBay etc.

PineappleDanish · 20/12/2019 16:26

I thought Glasgow was one of the poorest areas but no mention of anything on this image

Doesn't fit the momentum narrative.

If I hear the phrase "turkeys voting for christmas" one more time I think I'll scream

(not a conservative voter either)

ACouchOfOnesOwn · 20/12/2019 16:27

Yeah, calling people turkeys always works well. As does posting infographics that are 5 years out of date and have numerous issues because of the criteria used to collate the figures.

Interesting article about the infographic and its context here

And I'm not a Tory voter and I do work in a constituency in a deprived area. There's no need to post outdated research and call people stupid. If that's the extent of your advocacy, you need to rethink .... or grow up.

Snowy111 · 20/12/2019 16:35

The debunking isn’t saying that it’s a lie, it says that depending on which countries you choose to compare with, you get different results, obviously.

Full fact also says the UK has highest equality between regions, for the countries listed.

But why is this? It doesn’t seem right to me but how have we got to this position, why is the UK so unequal?

TSSDNCOP · 20/12/2019 16:37

I would've thought you could have created that graphic in 1975 and it'd be as accurate. Have you ever been to Ile de France Grin

WheresMyChocolate · 20/12/2019 16:37

Regional GDP per capita in the EU27 in 2010
(in PPS, EU27 = 100)
The twenty highest: The twenty lowest:
1 Inner London (UK) 328 1 Severozapaden (BG) 26
2 Luxembourg (LU) 266 2 Severen tsentralen (BG) 29
3 Bruxelles-Cap. / Brussels Hfdst. (BE) 223 3 Nord-Est (RO) 29
4 Hamburg (DE) 203 4 Yuzhen tsentralen (BG) 30
5 ÃŽle de France (FR) 180 5 Severoiztochen (BG) 36
6 Groningen (NL) 180 6 Yugoiztochen (BG) 36
7 Bratislavský kraj (SK) 176 7 Sud-Vest Oltenia (RO) 36
8 Praha (CZ) 172 8 Sud-Est (RO) 38
9 Stockholm (SE) 168 9 Sud-Muntenia (RO) 39
10 Wien (AT) 165 10 Észak-Magyarország (HU) 40
11 Oberbayern (DE) 163 11 Észak-Alföld (HU) 41
12 North Eastern Scotland (UK) 162 12 Dél-Alföld (HU) 42
13 Darmstadt (DE) 161 13 Lubelskie (PL) 42
14 Bremen (DE) 158 14 Podkarpackie (PL) 42
15 Hovedstaden (DK) 157 15 Nord-Vest (RO) 42
16 Utrecht (NL) 155 16 Dél-Dunántúl (HU) 44
17 Helsinki-Uusimaa (FI) 154 17 Podlaskie (PL) 45
18 Noord-Holland (NL) 150 18 Centru (RO) 45
19 Bolzano / Bozen (IT) 146 19 Warmińsko-Mazurskie (PL) 46
20 Salzburg (AT) 146 20 Swiętokrzyskie (PL) 47

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130403140856/epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_PUBLIC/1-21032013-AP/EN/1-21032013-AP-EN.PDF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20130403140856/epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_PUBLIC/1-21032013-AP/EN/1-21032013-AP-EN.PDF

Regional GDP per capita in the EU in 2017
(in PPS, EU28 = 100)
The highest: The lowest:
1 Inner London - West (UK)* 626 1 North-West (BG) 31
2 Luxembourg (LU)* 253 2 North-Central (BG) 34
3 Southern (IE) 220 - Mayotte (FR) 34
4 Hamburg (DE) 202 4 South-Central (BG) 35
5 Brussels Region (BE)* 196 5 North-East (BG) 39
6 Eastern & Midland (IE)* 189 - North-East (RO) 39
7 Prague (CZ)* 187 7 South-East (BG) 43
8 Bratislava (SK)* 179 - North Great Plain (HU) 43
9 Upper Bavaria (DE) 177 9 South Transdanubia (HU) 45

  • ÃŽle-de-France (FR)* 177 - South-West Oltenia (RO) 45
11 Inner London - East (UK)* 168 11 East Macedonia, Thrace (EL) 46 12 North Holland (NL)* 167 - North Hungary (HU) 46 13 Capital (region) (DK)* 166 13 Epirus (EL) 48
  • Stockholm (SE)* 166 - North Aegean (EL) 48
15 Stuttgart (DE) 159 - South Great Plain (HU) 48 16 Darmstadt (DE) 157 - Lubelskie (PL) 48 17 Bremen (DE) 155 17 Western Greece (EL) 49
  • Utrecht (NL) 155 - French Guiana (FR) 49
19 Warsaw-Capital (PL)* 152 - Warmińsko-Mazurskie (PL) 49 20 Vienna (AT)* 151 - Podkarpackie (PL) 49

ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/9618249/1-26022019-AP-EN.pdf/f765d183-c3d2-4e2f-9256-cc6665909c80

Crinkle77 · 20/12/2019 16:37

Oh for god's sake give it a rest.

Mintjulia · 20/12/2019 16:38

Labour was in power from 1997 to 2010 and did what....?

But it’s all the evil tories fault Hmm

GnomeDePlume · 20/12/2019 16:43

OP can you provide a better link? All I get is:

There were no results matching the query.

SilverySurfer · 20/12/2019 16:44

turkeys voting for xmas again

I would be cringing wit embarrassment if I had written that. It has been on every single Tory bashing thread on here and tells me everything I need to know about you.

0/10

Teateaandmoretea · 20/12/2019 16:47

Yes turkeys voting for Christmas is one of the most twatty things spouted.

The thing is for people who live in these areas it will have been deprived across lots of governments and many years. Blame Thatcher if you like, but mining etc was clearly becoming outdated.

The people are royally pissed off and think that Brexit offers hope. Only time will tell what happens to Boris's plan. But it's really fucking out of order for people who are doing well in wealthy areas to trill that everyone who is less fortunate is an idiot who knows nothing.

Thankfully everyone I would discuss politics with is more respectful/intelligent/ open minded.

NewspaperTaxis · 20/12/2019 16:50

Labour has been holding out for a massive economic crash once we leave the EU. That may happen, but obviously hasn't yet, and the Cons were able to frame the narrative as the Remainers thwarting the democratic will, when in fact it was as much the DUP and the ERG voting against May's lousy deal - a good many felt it wasn't really Brexit. It wasn't just Remainers voting against it.

That said, Labour may think that should the crash come - and one doesn't rule it out, irrespective of Brexit, seeing as the FCA regulator is so utterly rubbish and doesn't stop anyone getting promoted - then they will be sitting pretty with a radical Left option when the time comes. But the Tory party doesn't work like that. Should that occur, they'll simply dump Johnson ('He was good for getting Brexit through, and cheering us up, now his time as passed') and switch to another, safer, responsible leader and sell the party as a new one again, with the Labour party once again depicted as too radical too Marxist etc.

Like Madonna's Like a Prayer album, if you want to change the record you have to keep the window dressing nice and familiar.

HoHoHoik · 20/12/2019 16:52

I didn't vote Conservative and I'm not thrilled that they have such a large majority or that they will plough ahead with their own Brexit agenda but I'm getting so pissed off with this idea that it is the North's fault.

Firstly, "the North" is not a homogeneous mass. It is more than one region, it has cities, rural areas, pockets of deprivation, pockets of affluence, and everything in between. And where is "the North"? What many people consider to be "the North" is still Southern to many other Northerners.

Secondly, plenty of people in "the North" did not vote Conservative. This rhetoric of "wow, thanks for that, you stupid Northerners" gives the impression that every single one of us voted for it. We didn't. As an example, in my constituency the Conservatives won by just 700 votes.

Lastly, stop fucking blaming us for all your woes. So what if the Conservatives won some Northern seats, it was actually the Midlands where the Conservatives won the most new votes yet it seems far easier to blame "thick" Northerners who had no idea what they were voting for.

It's a horrible attitude and unfortunately is indicative of how "the North" is viewed by many. All of us up here a racist whippet owners, putting in the hours down t'pit mining for factories or some shit like that before headed home to race pigeons and eat lard on a stick. When election time comes around we just jab our pencil at the piece of paper and hope we remember how to make an X because schoolin' ain't our strong point. No one here ever reads a manifesto or has an idea of what they want from their government, do they? Hmm