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Boris Watch - Thread 1

488 replies

chomalungma · 17/12/2019 19:11

Well, it's been done for Trump since he got elected.
No doubt some people will complain it's on AIBU - but it's a place with traffic.

So let's use this to keep an eye on the changes under Boris.

First Thing:

Boris introduces clause in the withdrawal agreement so the UK must leave with WTO rules if there is no trade agreement with the EU by the end of 2020

www.theguardian.com/business/2019/dec/17/pound-slides-to-pre-election-levels-in-wake-of-bid-to-outlaw-brexit-extension

Feel free to comment and add things that you notice changing. The Trump threads are at 97 now.

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Fatasfooook · 18/12/2019 22:15

Boris Johnson will let judges scrap EU rulings that protect sick pay and holiday

Rulings that protect your rights to working hours, flight compensation and VAT could also be overturned in the 'lower courts' as part of the Tory leader's drive to restore the 'sovereignty' of the UK system

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-judges-scrap-eu-21121617?fbclid=IwAR2k2eMuTcbG37U0bIIdcwvEkHLbsUhgxeTEwSqAKGR6Pr3LQDdr1t5Yi94

Taswama · 18/12/2019 22:17

Will any changes be done on a case by case basis then?

chomalungma · 18/12/2019 22:18

Rulings that protect your rights to working hours, flight compensation and VAT could also be

Not sure if that will go down well with his new voters that he gained....

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Moonmelodies · 18/12/2019 22:19

The UK's holiday and sick pay regulations are way superior to those of the EU, no?

ListeningQuietly · 18/12/2019 22:20

Taswama
THat appears to be the plan.
Cutting teh Supreme Court out of making UK Law
and "allowing" lower courts to decide things
all the while with the axe of political appointments hanging over their heads

What could possibly go wrong ?

Those with money
will trample over the rest of us
with impunity

ListeningQuietly · 18/12/2019 22:21

The UK's holiday and sick pay regulations are way superior to those of the EU, no?
No.
At the moment they can be no worse than the EU rules.
Many other countries have much more generous employment laws.
The UK has the weakest protections
and they are about to get weaker

chomalungma · 18/12/2019 22:33

See - some positive news from Johnson
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7807405/Boris-Johnson-plans-high-street-revival-todays-Queens-Speech.html

Boris Johnson will announce immediate help for the high street today in the first Queen’s Speech of his ‘people’s government’.

Half a million independent shops, restaurants, pubs and cinemas will benefit from a cut in business rates from April.

Standard retailer discounts will rise from 33 per cent to 50 per cent – at a cost of around £320million.

I wonder if they will introduce a digital tax as well on large online retailers?

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ssd · 18/12/2019 22:38

That's good, nice to see good news. I for one would be over the moon if Johnson proves me wrong and I have to eat my words. I have no time for him and are terrified for the future, if he proves me wrong I for one will be delighted.

Pumperthepumper · 18/12/2019 22:41

That’s great! That’s definitely a positive! And me too ssd genuinely, I’d be delighted.

ICouldBeVotingTactically · 18/12/2019 22:44

Thank you for this thread, OP.

I'm no fan of Johnson and wasn't happy with the outcome of the GE. However, I have to accept my views were not the majority view. It's now up to the Tories to govern, and to do it their way.

Maybe I was misinformed or misguided and I'll be pleasantly surprised at the changes to come - maybe they'll be beneficial for the country at large and for my family in particular, so I'll be following this thread with interest.

Let me just quote Robert Burns: "Facts are chiels that winna ding". (Rough translation into English: "you can't argue with facts".)

So let's stick to the facts.

chomalungma · 18/12/2019 22:47

Of course - 50% of business rates go to the local councils......so I hope that funding shortfall will be made up.

Then again - the money collected from business rates must have been affected by the local high street issues so any encouragement is a good thing.

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HeIenaDove · 18/12/2019 23:23

www.24housing.co.uk/news/hancock-hints-at-closer-integration-of-the-housing-and-health/

Hancock hints at closer integration of housing and health
Health Secretary tells Policy Exchange: “We must hardwire good health into housing.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock has hinted at a closer integration of the housing and health agendas planned by the ‘People’s Government’.

Hancock told the Policy Exchange: “We must hardwire good health into housing, transport, education, welfare, and the economy because we all know preventing ill health – mental and physical – is about more than just healthcare.”

The NHS long-term plan published early this year pitches place-based population health and investment in community-based solutions at a preventative level.

That was taken as pushing beyond provision of supported housing, and into how housing associations can leverage their social investment activity toward resident health and wellbeing.

Key issues for combining housing and health include:

Expansion of integrated care develop over the next five years
Development of population health at the level of place
Housing’s place in an integrated care system
Greater collaboration to address homelessness
Aligning investment across neighbourhoods to deliver health benefits for residents
Using place-based responses to improve experience of older age
Writing for 24housing, HACT chief executive Andrew Van Doorn said the role of housing in place-based population health will be “crucial” to the future success of the NHS.

Van Doorn referenced the role of housing in Primary Care Networks and Integrated Care Networks as “very important”, with housing associations as anchor institutions having the assets and resources to make a difference not only to residents’ lives, but to their local communities

The long-term plan recognised that to address the needs of the population now and in the future there needs to be investment in community-based solutions at a preventative level, as well as in redesigning healthcare services to bring together new delivery partners,” he said.

Some housing providers are name-checked as delivering “exceptional” health services, with Nottingham City Homes seen as a trailblazer with its Housing to Health service, estimated as saving the public purse over £2.1m last year.

Radian and Polar HARCA are pioneering social prescribing services in their local areas.

The GLA recognises the role that housing associations can play in delivering social prescribing services in the capital.

HACT, itself, is also working with numerous housing and health providers toward an integrated approach

Fatasfooook · 18/12/2019 23:41

Daily mail though, is it true? They spout a load of pro Tory bullshit

Peregrina · 19/12/2019 00:03

HelenaDove:

Since 1979 and Thatcher we have heard public sector bad, private sector good, there is no such thing as society. So fine, by all means integrate housing and health but who exactly will provide it? It all sounds like social democracy. Is it really what the wealthy people who still bankroll the Tories want to pay for? We haven't seen the private sector do all that well when it comes to stumping up money for the Care Sector.

An older pre-Thatcherite Tory would have had no problem with any of this, but many of the current generation would need to have personality transplants.

placemats · 19/12/2019 00:04

This country is not a democracy with FPTP system. So 'majority lead' is meaningless.

placemats · 19/12/2019 00:06

Can I also add that the BBC news report on Dementia was heartbreaking. I'm quite sure Matt Hancock will do next to nothing to remedy the situation. Unless he is in possession of a magic wand.

Aryaneedle · 19/12/2019 08:21

BBC news this morning, a very vague answer on whether the 'nobody will need to sell their house to pay for social care' pledge is actually going to be reality.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/20/no-one-will-have-sell-house-pay-social-care-tories-says-boris/amp/

Iamagree · 19/12/2019 09:43

That Britain First feel they now belong in the Tory Party says a lot about the shift further and further right. And Johnson did promise during the leader's election (live on TV) to hold an inquiry into Islamophobia in the Conservative Party. He has already squirmed out of that one it seems, into a vague "broader review of discrimination complaints."

DaydreamingDay · 19/12/2019 09:57

I wonder if they will ever get the Shared Prosperity Fund up and running to replace the billions that will be lost from ESF.

Baaaahhhhh · 19/12/2019 11:27

nobody will need to sell their house to pay for social care

Personally I think this is NOT the way to go. DM is a very wealthy 92 year old. She has just into a care home, paid for currrently by selling a rental property. She has left her home empty for the time being, and we are planning to sell it next year to fund her further costs. Why shouldn't she pay?? Yes, it would be lovely to inherit several hundred thousand pounds, but really, she built up her wealth to pay for her retirement and care costs, she really should pay for them.

Baaaahhhhh · 19/12/2019 11:29

Additionally, interesting to note that my dear old dad, back in the 60's/70's was "Head of Health and Housing" in our local borough council. So, not a new idea, but perhaps a very good one. He was very involved in providing integrated care in the community.

BigChocFrenzy · 19/12/2019 12:33

Lewis Goodall@lewisgoodall

NEW:
Govt confirms that the Dept for Exiting the EU (DexEU) will be wound up after January 31st.

No great surprise.
It's been a troubled department.
< record % of civil servants quit early >

Most in Whitehall think it was a disastrous move setting it up in the first place.

< putting fuckups like DD then Raab in charge may have been the main problem >

Still, if it is an attempt at signalling that Brexit "got done" and the govt is focussing on other things it is illusory.

Thousands and thousands of civil servants will still be working on Brexit across Whitehall, with thousands and thousands of hours of work to do.

ListeningQuietly · 19/12/2019 13:56

Here is the list

Lets see how much is actually achieved
www.gov.uk/government/publications/queens-speech-december-2019-background-briefing-notes

Peregrina · 19/12/2019 14:09

I will be interested to see how they balance the competing demands of their new electorate and their old. If the new ones aren't thrown under the bus when it becomes inconvenient for Johnson, I will do a Paddy Ashdown and eat a hat made out of cake.

ImGoingToBangYourHeadsTogether · 19/12/2019 14:29

Oooh, what a good idea for a thread. Placemarking, then I'll have to try and keep up with it. Thanks.