To think that Stephen Kinnock should run for labour leader?

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I'm a leftie but I think to stand any chance to appeal to a broader range of voters labour needs to reign it in a bit.

Mr Kinnock is much more left of centre, campaigned to remain in the ref but was of the opinion that we must leave to preserve democracy.

Thoughts?

The Kinnocks have been on the EU gravy train for a long time

This is straight out of the Daily Mail.

It was from Wales online

If you think about the membership of the Labour Party he would have no chance of being chosen by them.

As for the things about his wife that would be dragged up to smear him by association, the selfie at Nelson Mandela's funeral would no doubtless make an appearance.

There’s only one Labour politician I can think of who could mount a serious challenge

Yvette Cooper. She’s awesome. Have you seen her performance in the Home Affairs Select Committee?

Yvette doesn’t want it though, she’s said that. I agree it’s a shame, she’s very impressive.

I'd like to see Yvette Cooper as leader. Keir Starmer would be a good candidate.

I like Kinnock's wife way more. She came across very competent and shrewd in the documentary about the previous election.

I will hopefully vote for Yvette Cooper. Again. Northern, competent, hard-working, polar opposite of Johnson.

I live in the Midlands and really don't care whether the new leader is London-based or not.

If anyone who lives outside London / SE could say who’d they like that would be good. I wonder about this has to be non-London criteria.

I would prefer to see Keir Starmer or Yvette Cooper in charge.

I agree.

The Kinnock name comes with too much baggage, too many preconceptions when what the party desperately needs is a fresh start. I think KS would be a safe pair of hands but would like to see a woman as leader. As long as it's not Angela Rayner, every time I see her interviewed I cringe, she comes across as so vapid and ill-informed. I voted for Yvette Cooper in the last leadership contest and would definitely consider doing so again. Jess Phillips has apparently thrown her hat into the ring though and I can see her appealing to a lot of labour voters.

And for what it's worth, I'm based in the north and couldn't care less if the new leader is from London/SE or not. What I care about is that it's the right person, someone with the credibility to enable them to challenge Johnson effectively, provide strong opposition and ultimately make Labour electable again. If that person is northern then great, that's a bonus I suppose but if they're from the SE then I'm fine with that.

Lisa nandy/ keir starmer or dan jarvis ?

Also his wife is the former Danish PM and didn't she say something along the lines of sahm wasting their education and not contributing to their nation? Thats a fairly standard Danish viewpoint. I think there are 2 sahms in DS' class in rural Denmark out of 16. Although tbh if we had to pay the same for childcare as you do in the uk Im sure there would be more.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that Denmark supports families with good childcare, so that women don't lose their careers and that child care is more equal between the sexes. It's just that I don't think a PM should be telling people how to raise their children or implying that there's only one way to do it that's right. Women shouldn't be forced into sah but neither should they be made to feel they are failing at being good citizens or wasting their education if they would prefer to not send their dc to childcare. It's such a personal thing.
Also I don't like the idea that education is wasted unless you are using it to directly generate money (and pay tax). Education is never wasted.
I can't really put my finger on it but it feels sexist to judge women for making a perfectly valid choice.

The institutionally sexist MSM will crucify Jess Philips. They would go a little easier on Keir Starmer.

Yes they would re Jess.

They can crucify one guy over a bacon sandwich Labour need to consider what the media will do to someone before putting them forward. Keir would handle it and they won’t do it as much.

They do need to be "likeable", populist and have some decent sound bites though it seems

I wonder what soundbites Jesus would have had ?

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I'm old enough to remember his father. Definitely not. A family of opportunists who have raked in millions from the EU.

Jess Phillips would never get my vote.

I'd like to see a serious, credible candidate like Yvette Cooper or Keir Starmer. Too late now but I'm also quite keen on Chuka Umunna.

@Aderyn19, you need to see the comment about SAHM in the Nordic context. I am not Danish but from another Scandinavian country and not using my education and working would be alien to me. I do see why in this country some women just don’t have the choice with expensive childcare etc, but it is still ingrained in me that adults work and that would is good for the individual as well as the economy. I think the Nordic countries have a strong economy and welfare system partly because most families are two income families with decent income. Labour policies generally is much more similar to Nordic countries. To me Corbyn is not a Marxist the way he is portrayed in the UK press but a rather centrists labour politician if he was to stand in my home country.

As a northerner I don't care if the leader is from London or the north, male or female. We just need someone with more appeal. Corbyn didn't have appeal to more than a core left group.

Ultimately Kier Starmer or David Milliband if they could persuade him to return but they need an interim who can steer the ship, rebuild and put clear water between Corbyn and DB/KS.

100% definitely not Nandy. She’s got a proper chip on her shoulder about the people of London. Apparently all Londoners are rich and responsible for crushing the dreams of the people of Wigan which will be a surprise to minimum wage cleaners in multiple occupancy housing in Tower Hamlets.

We need an optimist who looks like a winner not another divisive person who boxes people into identities and pits them against each other.

My DH is half Danish, so I do understand that things function differently there. It just feels to me as restrictive as times gone by when woh mothers were judged negatively for not being sahp.

On the whole I believe politicians should steer clear of making judgements about how people live, so long as they are law abiding. Getting into how families raise their children is a bit too nanny state for me.

It’s not nanny state. It’s making sure that children get an equal start in life. Attending nursery is seen as an education and ensures children starts on an equal footing. The concern in Scandinavia is that it is often the less resourceful who choose to not work hence possibly bringing up less resourceful children. You don’t have the same network as in the UK where mum and toddler classes etc because people work. You cannot really compare it to the UK which is why I think the Helle’s comments need to be seen in context.

I think that telling parents that they can do a better job of educating their pre school children than the parents is the very definition of nanny state.

You are missing the point I am making completely about disadvantaged children of which there are many in the Uk!

Facilitating women working is facilitating independence from the state. The UK is much more of a nanny state just not a nice nanny.

Children in the UK aren't disadvantaged because they have sahp.
They are disadvantaged because the government doesn't care about poverty or funding schools properly. I think it's possible a child with 2 ft working parents in min wage jobs might be more disadvantaged than a child with one better paid working parent and a sahp.
Working ft might give financial independence from the state (although if the state is heavily contributing to childcare costs that is arguably benefits in a different form), but if the state is telling you how to raise your children then that isn't independence either.