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To ask Tories what their prize is?

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thefluffysideofgrey · 13/12/2019 21:03

So many of them are gloating, bollox about 'lefty tears' and 'suck it up buttercup'.

While a friend of mine is shaking she's so scared about what will happen to her disabled child.

So, what's the prize? Now you've won?

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Trewser · 14/12/2019 08:48

If anyone asked me what the Labour campaign slogan was, "Vile Cunts" would be my first thought.

I asked someone on my FB to stop saying it and got a pm from a friend of theirs saying they hoped I'd get cancer.

The disconnect between what they say and what they think they are saying is insurmountably huge.

WrongKindOfFace · 14/12/2019 08:53

WrongKindOfFace, Perhaps you need some new FB friends.
I have no one on FB who I don't know personally and they're all decent people. The only time I broke that rule and had a friend of a friend who broke my unwritten "no politics on FB" rule, I deleted them.

Not my friends, thankfully. But take a look on the pages of the Mail or the Express. They’re fond of hanging remainer traitors.

RunningAwaywiththeCircus · 14/12/2019 09:10

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RosaDiaz99 · 14/12/2019 11:19

Tories have only increased national debt per GDP in the last decade? Not sure what their great claim to fiscal responsibility actually is...

Do you seriously not understand the difference between national debt and the deficit?

The deficit is the amount we borrow each year. The Tories have drastically reduced this, but reducing it to zero would not have been possible without even more drastic cuts to welfare and public services.

But obviously, unless the deficit is zero, the national debt is going to continue to increase... It’s basic maths.

Beccaishere · 14/12/2019 11:35

Gloating and cheering???!!!!! Really?? Hmm
I haven’t seen any of that from conservative supporters if anything I have only heard from the labour supporters!!!!

Very intrigued to hear where you are to have heard this??

PinkCrayon · 14/12/2019 12:03

OK so I had a few tags on Corbyn being antisemitic So, Can Anyone here anyone at all show me an article he has written and any footage where he has said anything against the Jews. I genuinely have a very open mind and if you can provide this to me I will accept it. I have searched and searched for it but I cannot find anything he has said. Except one article where he apologised for it in his party and was suspended and sacking people.
On the other hand Boris, Boris has been openly racist there is video after video as well as articles he has written where he has said racist things or homophobic language or an attack on the working class. I can show you them if you wish but I would have thought you would have seen them already??? Are you denying their existence because the words come out of his actual mouth on some recordings as well as articles he has written himself. He hasn't apologised for ANY of it not a whisper, unlike Corbyn who has apologised on behalf of people in his party.

Xenia · 14/12/2019 12:06

I have seen much more abuse on MN from the left than right - really rude horrbile swear words used and I have not once seen that from those of us who are Tory supporters. Like most Tory voters and the Prime Minister we want now to unite and one nation and move forward with the divisions about Brexit and Remain which split both parties and many families to be healed.

The public chose the best p olicies and party and I salute them for that particularly those who allowed us to borrow their traditional labour votes such as in my grandfather's town of Bishop Auckland which now has a Tory MP. We will not forget and we are very thankful for all those votes. It will make for a better nation.

(Pink, I have never felt BJ or Corbyn were racist or anti semitic particularly. Most voters look at who can manage the country and the economy best)

SummerPavillion · 14/12/2019 12:36

Let's see how everyone feels after another 5 or 10 years of this shall we?

Short memories.

Trewser · 14/12/2019 12:39

I am not at all bothered by the articles Boris wrote. I don't think many people are, the ones in the real world, not those on Twitter.

RunningAwaywiththeCircus · 14/12/2019 12:48

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Halleli · 14/12/2019 12:52

@PinkCrayon

Lists of all Jeremy Corbyn's antisemitic statements and actions have been posted on Mumsnet repeatedly.

There is plenty of information available online.

The problem presumably is that you're not Jewish and you don't understand antisemitism, so you can't see the antisemitism in the things that Corbyn says and does. You haven't had ideas such as these used to justify the murder and expulsion of your ancestors throughout history.

Modern-day, left-wing antisemitism doesn't manifest itself in people openly saying 'I hate Jews.' It its revealed through people's conscious or unconscious use of millennia-old antisemitic tropes.

For example, a trope that has been used to justify persecution of Jewish people throughout history is the dual loyalty trope. This is the idea that Jews are never loyal to the 'host' country we live in - our true loyalty will always lie with 'world Jewry' and, since 1948, Israel.

This trope has been used to 'other' Jewish people throughout history. It can be seen in the 'stab in the back' myth perpetuated by Hitler - that Jewish Germans were traitors who had forced Germany out of WW1 just as it was about to win. It was this idea that was used to justify depriving Jewish Germans of their citizenship. I've attached a postcard from the time that displays this trope.

Therefore, when Jeremy Corbyn says things like 'Zionists cannot understand English irony, despite having lived here all their lives', this will make most Jewish people extremely uncomfortable. To us, it sounds like he's saying that no matter how long we have lived in the UK, we will never be truly British/English. That our residence here is temporary. That we don't belong.

The same words probably wouldn't even register with you, a non-Jew with no direct experience of the dual loyalty trope. But the vast majority of Jewish people will hear what I hear.

To ask Tories what their prize is?
RunningAwaywiththeCircus · 14/12/2019 12:55

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Halleli · 14/12/2019 13:00

@PinkCrayon

If you are asking in good faith, and genuinely want to learn about antisemitic tropes and the ways in which the Corbynite left deploys them, then this twitter thread by a young Jewish British comedy writer is an excellent starting point.

twitter.com/Sara_Rose_G/status/1091247814292766720

cakeisalwaystheanswer · 14/12/2019 13:12

Maureen Lipmans excellent article on Corbyn. Jewish people say that Corbyn is anti-semitic, thats enough evidence for me.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7782737/MAUREEN-LIPMAN-blasts-Jeremy-Corbyn-damning-verdict-makes-plea-decent-people.html

PinkCrayon · 14/12/2019 13:16

I don't agree with racism, antisemitism there's alot of information out there that since brexit and Boris' comments there have been surges in hate crime and racism. I don't think having anyone in power like this helps our country.
Other people may not care about the articles or the things he says but I think the victims do, And I so do I, I dont want to live in a country like that.

Absolutely @Halleli Thank you, I will take a look.

ThatssomebadhatHarry · 14/12/2019 13:23

A decision needed to be made about brexit. We needed a leader who would take charge.

He resubmitted with a few scribbles May’s Deal which he had voted against. I wouldn’t call this taking charge.

RunningAwaywiththeCircus · 14/12/2019 13:32

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