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Do you talk openly about your salary with others?

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toodlethenoodle · 13/12/2019 19:48

I was offered my dream role within my current company after I gave in my notice after working in a different part of the business. The CEO then got hold of my CV and I negotiated hard and secured myself a 59% pay rise.
In my new office there is a lot of open chat about salaries, bonus' and benefits. A lot of my co workers are unhappy with their salary. I was approached during the week by my co workers and asked outright what my salary was as many people in the office have suspicions that they're being paid half as much as me especially since I was asked personally by the CEO to stay.

I have explained that I have never and will never speak about my salary with anyone as its information that is personal to me. I seem to be a 1 person department so I don't know enough about anyone elses roles and responsibilities to know whether they could negotiate for more.

Is this way of thinking strange? Am I being unreasonable not giving this information to give others the chance to renegotiate?

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Mammylamb · 14/12/2019 09:40

Level found out and asked for his to be increased to the same as mine. A junior colleague let me know this so as to stir the pot. I told her that I was delighted he increased his salary and that I would have did the exact same

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fedup21 · 14/12/2019 09:41

I have no problems discussing it with anyone, though I wouldn’t tell if colleagues marched up to me and demanded to know what I got!

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DragonMamma · 14/12/2019 09:42

I work in HR and it’s inevitable we know each other’s salary (and everybody else’s in the business!)

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CherryPavlova · 14/12/2019 09:44

No. Vulgar to talk about income and money more generally.

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megletthesecond · 14/12/2019 09:45

No. All our team are on the same pay scale.

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eurochick · 14/12/2019 09:46

The sniping about maths and grammar is making both of you look pretty pathetic.

I wish there was more wage transparency in this country. It's a huge barrier to pay equality.

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jackstini · 14/12/2019 09:51

I don't to people at work
Some people in my family know a ballpark figure

I did negotiate hard a few years ago when another company wanted to poach me. Got a 25% raise and dropped from 5 days to 4 so effectively a 33% increase

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Hopingtobeamum · 14/12/2019 09:57

I don't discuss salary or my overall package with anyone at work and anyone outside of work, with a few obvious exceptions: DP, investment company and future employers

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MistyCloud · 14/12/2019 10:03

@eurochick

The sniping about maths and grammar is making both of you look pretty pathetic.

I know. And I started it, and I am really sorry. Sad

I started sniping at the OP by saying 'an almost 60% payrise, yeah right!' Firstly because I get a bit sick of people coming out with what I class as outlandish salaries on here, and secondly because I was probably a bit miffed that I am only on £35K LOL. Well pro-rata as I work 24 hours a week, so it's just over £21K.

So I apologise. Sorry @toodlethenoodle Sorry for being a snarky bitch, and for having a pop at your grammar and spelling. Not my finest hour. Flowers

All the best in your new job/position, and apologies to everyone else for derailing the thread slightly. ❤️

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notnowmaybelater · 14/12/2019 10:24

Were paid on a nationally published scale tied to qualifications and length of time in the specific type of job and job type, but there are bands within grades so not everyone starts on exactly the same band, it's a little random. I was put on a middle band when I started for no discernible reason - I was a career changer and work in my second language, so was focussed on being offered the job not on negotiating a higher rate. I've completed qualifications in the interim with one more big push to be fully qualified - everyone can look up roughlywhat I'll be paid fully qualified if they know where to look, as with teachers and nurses in the UK.

I get lots of random shift and antisocial hours payments always backdated 3 months so I rarely know myself exactly what will be in my after tax pay each month, just that it's wrong if it's not more than the rate in my contract Grin

I do fully agree with transparence - wages shouldn't reflect how well you negotiate your start rate unless you do a job where that's a necessary skill, and the randomness does indeed amplify the pay gap between men and women.

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KidLorneRoll · 14/12/2019 10:27

'It's a huge barrier to pay equality.'

Totally this. There is a reason companies prefer salaries to be confidential, and it's not to help team morale.

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toodlethenoodle · 14/12/2019 11:01

@mistycloud I'll take the salary I doubled and work on it Grin

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toodlethenoodle · 14/12/2019 11:03

I am sorry @mistycloud. We both got off on the wrong foot. Thanks for your well wishes. I appreciate it. Have a lovely weekend.

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Blibbyblobby · 14/12/2019 11:06

No. Vulgar to talk about income and money more generally.

I was brought up that way but I’ve realised since that information is power, and by not sharing information we have less power.

There are two parties who benefit from wage opacity: employers who will push to pay as little as they can get away with (THEY know how much everyone in the org gets paid, so they have a power their employees don’t ) and employees who think they might be paid more than their peers without justification. For the rest of us, the more information we have the better.

Some of the new tech companies, who have to massively compete for good people, publish wages openly. Some even allow the employees to decide between them who gets paid what.

And in wider society, I think it’s important to know the facts about income and wealth distribution so we make informed decisions about our own finances and when making political decisions.

I’d actually like to see it taught in school, using TV families (because we get intimate views of their homes and while we know it’s not real, it is presented as realistic but lifestyles are often outside their implied income bracket - eg payday loan advert families sitting at the kitchen island - and cumulatively that gives a distorted idea of what “normal” lifestyles are)

“Here’s the Tesco Christmas advert family. Based on what we can see in the advert, to run a household like this in our town they’d need a net income of not less than £xx,000, which would mean both parents earning a full time salary of Y, or one earning a salary of Z. A Tesco driver earns N. How you think the family arranges their finances? What might be happening outside what we see in the advert? What decisions will they need to make?”

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Stillabitemo · 14/12/2019 11:06

I try to be very open about it as I don’t think hiding the information helps anyone

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bluebeck · 14/12/2019 11:06

Very often there can be a provision in your contract preventing you from discussing it with colleagues.

This would be very old fashioned and is not legally enforcable. It's outdated practice like this that enables employers to create a culture of gender/race/disability pay gaps.

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HamAndPineapple · 14/12/2019 11:16

I like that it's quite transparent where I am now. People know my grade and how long I've been around, so they could look up on a table what I earn if they wanted to.

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PegasusReturns · 14/12/2019 11:27

As others have said, lack of transparency only hurts employees.

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TheNinkiestNonk · 14/12/2019 11:32

I know what I earn and so does my H and obviously my boss and that's it. I don't feel the need to discuss with family, friends have a rough idea as we all work in similar roles but I would never, ever discuss my salary with colleagues.

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Parker231 · 14/12/2019 11:37

No - only DH knows my salary. Work for global consultancy company and have staff in different countries. Salaries differ by country, role and responsibilities. Annual bonus is based in company profits, departmental targets and individuals contribution.

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Butchyrestingface · 14/12/2019 11:37

Do the colleagues who want to know your salary do a comparable job to you, @toodlethenoodle?

Person who asked you has more front than Blackpool Pier, in any case.

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LoopyLu2019 · 14/12/2019 11:38

Tbf, you could try finding out more about pay in a secretive company my encouraging employees to fill out glass door. Found my company very hush hush about salaries and bonuses but on glass door it's actually a fairly true reflection. Re really high pay rises, it is feasible. I got a counter offer which increased my package by 40% and pissed ALOT of people off because it was meant to be confidential but the director told my manager who told another manager, the last manager was on less than I was being offered and really pissed.

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Oblomov19 · 14/12/2019 11:43

I had problems in my last job. Other people knew my salary because we all did the payroll. Plus the fact I and another new starter had negotiated a shorter working day. Both went down like a lead balloon.

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toodlethenoodle · 14/12/2019 11:52

They don't @butchy I seem to be a department of 1.

I am the youngest woman in a company of 400+ and the only woman in my side of the business. It was men that asked me what my salary was.

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MistyCloud · 14/12/2019 12:43

@toodlethenoodle

mistycloud I'll take the salary I doubled and work on it. Grin

😁

I am sorry mistycloud. We both got off on the wrong foot. Thanks for your well wishes. I appreciate it. Have a lovely weekend.

Aww thanks 😊

No need for you to say sorry really though, as I started it! Blush

Appreciate it though, and you have a good weekend too. Smile

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