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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

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GailCindy · 13/12/2019 11:21

I have a son who has SEND issues. I am trained as a senior nursery practitioner and have done a lot of courses to back up my college NVQs so I can look after children with quite severe disabilities in a range of settings but I like nurseries. On paper I could get a job for about 25k quite easily.

My son is 14 and has SEND issues. I worked full time until he was 12 and half way in year 7 when it became impossible to work and be a mother to him. Over the past 3-4 years, his support in school has dwindled so he now gets 10% of what is on his EHCP and none of it is 1v1. It is all in small groups which is better than nothing but not if it is only for 2 of 25+ periods he has in a week. My son is not violent or disruptive in the usual way. He will become very anxious and have panic attacks if he feels overwhelmed in any way by his surroundings or work. This sometimes mean he will cry or become very withdrawn and unable to sit in lessons. Rarely he will explode but he wont hit other people. It will be closer to self harming. Also, for reasons related to his ASD, my son goes through uniform/clothes/shoes much faster than other kids his age. Quite a bit of his DLA goes on uniform where I buy at least one item a month. Often 2 items. Plus other clothes.

They wont let him take his phone to school. I was part of several parents across the country who tried to protest these rules locally and nationally but the education minister backed the schools with these rules. My son has to travel alone to and from school because I work* for a few hours per day. He can become overwhelmed by something unpredictable happening so not having any contact (not even by phone box as he cannot carry money) on his way to and from school is terrifying. Plus they issue same day detentions for up to an hour so I never know when he is leaving school. Same for a club or event. The Xmas auditions ran 1hour past time until 630pm and they did not tell parents so we were all wondering where our kids were. Nobody answering school phones and of course we cannot call the kids.

These two things with school always ringing me and him needing to be able to contact me means I cannot do my job. We are not allowed phones in the nursery and it is not practical for the school to ring the office as much as they try and contact me which can be every day.

I had a partner but we recently split because of money issues. We couldn't afford to be together legally and it is too hard to maintain separate homes and finances and feel like a couple. That is a friend with benefits.

A special school might be better for my son and I thought as much from year 7 but guess what? Cuts mean that because my son can do his work alright he isnt eligible for a special school. One man from LEA told me that special schools are for kids with brain damage in wheelchairs now and not kids who can write and read. All of those are moved into mainstream he told me.

So the cuts mean that my son has to go to the only school with autism unit which is defunct due to lack of funding but people have the knowledge of what should be done at least. However he gets no support there so they'll regularly need me to get him. Lack of funding also means that he cannot go to a special school because they are now for people more disabled than him.

All of these things mean I can only work 3 hours a day because the only feasible job I could find that just happens to be in my field was to do the mornings in a nursery as a NVQ level 2 employee. I meet him when I can but it would cost me £15 a week to do so unless I walked there which would take an hour out of the other things that need doing. Therefore I only meet him when it combines with some other task which makes the bus fare worthwhile. I still can't work in the afternoons though because I have to be "on call" for him. If he needs to be collected which he often does, even if it is at home time, they will not let him leave alone distressed or in a cab. So either me,his dad,or my recent ex has to collect him. His dad lives 150 miles away. My recent ex had to work all the hours God sends to provide for us all (he has kids himself). So it is me.

MY UC housing allowances does not cover my housing costs by £150 so that comes out of our living expenses. That's because the HLA is low, we are in private accommodation with no chance of local social housing for years and we need to live somewhere he can easily get to the places he needs to get to alone. This independence frankly means that he is more likely to put money back in society at some point. Moving would set us back and the nationwide shortage of services means that moving somewhere cheap and rural would mean he wouldn't get even the support he gets now.

Long story not so short we live on 100 pound a month ( including his DLA) after I've paid to not be evicted and to keep in contact with each other. That includes food, travel for me, clothes, treats, replacement furniture, everything. The only luxury we have according to budgeting sites is wifi but really my son would never pass his GCSEs if he didnt have good internet at home. Streaming off of a phone to laptop does not work well enough to access all the complex websites and programmes he has to use just to do compulsory homework. Good GSCEs means he will more likely earn money and pay taxes.

His dad gives CM but considering he has 6 dependents in his home, has bipolar and works "part time" according to them, it is barely enough for my son to have some pocket money for the trips he takes out with a social group of local SEND kids and the occasional treat related to his hobby which I use to get him to do stuff that he doesnt want to do and likely wont get support doing anyway because of the cuts. I mean things like completing assessments and exams. They freak him out big time.

I know this is pathetic and long but honestly AIBU to ask what do I do?

Every turn the Tories have cut off our options. I haven't bought a pair of knickers since last Xmas and they were from Primark and I'm literally praying someone buys me some this year because they are ripped and off colour. That is my life now. I'd love to go back to the job I trained so hard for given that I had a shit family who abused me and stopped me finishing school but the support just isn't there for me to leave my son. What do we do when BJ will just take more and more away and make it even harder for people like me who want to work but can't with such shit public services?

OP posts:
Oliversmumsarmy · 13/12/2019 13:49

Have you written down exactly how much, without any benefits you need per year/month/week to live on. Then take away
benefits that it doesn’t matter how much you earn (like the CB) you can claim anyway.

I know a friend ended up doing something similar and it might sound completely crazy given your current position As an alternative to doing your nursery work then smaller jobs in the afternoon, what if you worked nights and hired a live in au pair just to be around during the night if your Ds woke up. They could be a student at the local college and need accommodation.
I know friend looked into it when she got divorced and she had to work away from home a few nights per week and it seemed very reasonable. Definitely cheaper than normal childcare.

Even if you did something like shelf stacking or other night work full tome would that work out better for you.

I get that it is scary to think of coming off benefits altogether but ultimately once you are off benefits then all you earn is yours. If you earn £9 per hour then you keep £9 per hour (minus taxes) and you don’t have some one taking £6 per hour off you

If the only reason you broke up with your bf was because you needed to claim more benefits would it be cheaper to move him back in or even pay him to stay over.

You wouldn’t be there as you would be at work and it would purely be a financial relationship. You could pay him say £200 per month to sleep over 5 nights per week then he is earning a few quid more and you are earning more.

It would depend on how reliable he is.

Also is the reason he only works p/t because he would lose his benefits?

If he was able to get a f/t day job would you both be better off and able to live together as a family

73Sunglasslover · 13/12/2019 13:50

Do you really think people should only have children if they can afford to provide full care in the event they have SEND issues? Really?

I only know 2 friends who can afford for one of them not to work. The child birth rate would have to cut down dramatically if we use this criteria before you have kids. Not sure where our future Drs, Posties, plumbers etc will all come from if only rich people have kids.

DrManhattan · 13/12/2019 13:52

Feel bad for you. I have a disabled son and its rough. Dont think you are gonna get any answers on here. Sending you a virtual hug ( btw I didnt vote for this $hit show) also gutted

thehorseandhisboy · 13/12/2019 13:53

Flimflam I last used a childminder about three years ago.

They're not cheap, but not is it a job that takes in a huge profit. Childminders usually take care of more than one child to make it financially viable.

I'm not sure that OP would be able to generate much business if she needs to go into school to collect her child regularly, so dragging little ones on the bus or a two hour round trip walking with no notice.

So possibly at nap time, in the middle of an activity etc.

Childminding can also be a very isolating job; OP sounds very down and alone. I can see why working in a nursery where she at least has colleagues and official breaks would be better for her well-being.

thehorseandhisboy · 13/12/2019 13:55

OP I feel desperately for you, and I truly wish you all the best, but I'm going to leave this thread.

I'm not a Tory voter and shouldn't have opened it, as the ignorance of your situation shown by some posters is too extreme for it to be any sort of discussion.

ChristaMSieland · 13/12/2019 13:55

@LeithWalk I'm really hoping Labour is about to have a wholesale internal revolution, swiftly become electable and get back to addressing issues on the ground. Hopefully, there will be a huge rebound to labour in the 2024 GE.

As soon as Brexit's over, we need to start yelling for the SN mess to get a high manifesto priority. And the UC mess. And the housing mess. There will be an appetite for basic issues to be addressed, I hope.

LeithWalk · 13/12/2019 13:57

Christa - just seems such a long way away - 2024!

slothbyday · 13/12/2019 14:00

Op would you son be able to stay at home for a few hours a day whilst you are work?
Is homeschooling an option where you leave him in the morning to do some work and come back at lunch time to work more with him? I strongly suspect over time it would massively help the anxiety and mental health concerns to remove the stress of school, however I get that right now he might not cope with that aspect.

taratill · 13/12/2019 14:01

just seems such a long way -2024

My teenager will be 18 by then and OPs DS will be an adult.

Lots of failed childhoods.

imjustanerd · 13/12/2019 14:01

Can't believe how fucking lacking in empathy some of these responses are.

FruitcakeOfHate · 13/12/2019 14:02

tax credits help if you are on a low income and yes it takes time to build a good income but it can be done, many many face issues like yours but still work.

People still believe there are tax credits for new claims? There haven't been for over a year and everyone will be moved onto UC by 2023.

ChristaMSieland · 13/12/2019 14:02

Well yes, but we've already had this stupid system (SN provision) for how long? More than 20 years now.

Anything that promotes equality will have to wait now until 2024.

OhTheRoses · 13/12/2019 14:09

Write to your MP and seek help.

Oliversmumsarmy · 13/12/2019 14:12

One thing I don’t agree on is the fact your Ds and other children cannot have a phone in school.

Even if they were handed in at the beginning of the day and collected after school has finished.

I have had a child who travelled to school and having a phone was so much help especially if trains weren’t running and finding alternative methods of transport

Or even just to let me know she was going to be late as she had a school activity that night or would need picking up from a different tube station or if I had been caught up with something and to get a taxi home.

Even for my own piece of mind I wanted to be able to have contact

RunningAwaywiththeCircus · 13/12/2019 14:14

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TheABC · 13/12/2019 14:19

Ok, we are where we are. Right now, playing the blame game with Tory voters is just going to piss them off and make you feel worse. Treat the election result as you would do a volcano erupting: there is fuck-all you can do about the conditions: your job is simply to survive them.

Next, people on this thread are right in one respect: your son has an ECHP and it needs to be enforced. So, start with the advocacy he needs, so he can get his education.

Next, you need to work out the most efficient route out of poverty for yourself. It might be a lodger so you can get more income. It might be a childcare swap with a friend so you can work more. I don't actually advocate the self employed route (I do it), unless you have some form of backup for the first 18 months. It's variable income and fricking brutal at times. What you do need is a secure income that covers the rate of withdrawal from your benefits. So, that means getting the SEN support you need.

Seriouslyconfused3 · 13/12/2019 14:20

Honestly op I think your ds’s school sounds shit. They need a proper kick up the arse to provide what he is entitled to and they shouldn’t need to be ringing you constantly through the day.

Could you post what your income and outgoings are to see if anyone can suggest any help? Your ds’s dad should also be taking a more active role, do you have much in terms of friend and family support?

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RozHuntleysStump · 13/12/2019 14:36

@ChristaMSieland I’m really not. My son gets 522 in benefits plus motability car. I get 1400 UC plus Carers plus child benefit. I have 2 other children.

Flimflamfloogety · 13/12/2019 14:36

@thehorseandhisboy

Fair point, hadn't considered that.

It seems like a combination of a few suggestions may be in order - something flexible in the day time, part time, self employed or home based. Then possibly supplemented with some baby sitting/childminding/tutoring in the evening (at home with DS)

It definitely wont be easy, but it doesn't seem like the current arrangement is any easier. Plus as one of the PP's mentioned, it may actually work out better to be off benefits that are deducting from your take home pay and just keep all that for yourself. It's daunting and seems really complex - maybe a visit to CAB might help?

Also seems like the school are taking the piss, plus I wouldn't believe the 3rd party about the the special needs school without first trying to apply for myself.

I'm confused about OP's relationship status too, is there a current partner in the picture? If so would it not be better to live together, he chip in with some of the childcare if he's not working, or around work if he's in a job. Two earners (or one stay home) would be better than the current situation.

Inliverpool1 · 13/12/2019 14:39

All I can say and it’s little consolation really, is these years fly by. Mine are nearly all at uni and it seems like yesterday I was paying 4 sets of school fees and wrap around childcare as a single mum.
It is utterly shit, if you can’t work you can’t work.
During the Thatcher years my own father had a breakdown following his divorce and spent two years in his mother spare bedroom learning g to pay guitar on the dole. Nothing to aspire to but sometimes people just need to be able to breathe and we as a society need to support them.
Could you ask your landlord to reduce your rent ? I would as long the mortgage was covered for a good tenant.

PaulHollywoodsleftbollockhair · 13/12/2019 14:42

He is not coping within his current educational setting to the extent you are prevented from earning a decent living. You need to start making a fuss and getting the disability team at school services onboard and offering support.

There is stuff they can do including supporting a move to a residential placement because how you are being forced to live is just not reasonable.

If he isn't coping during transport he needs a support person. Respite needs to be on the table too. The school are making unreasonable demands on you because you are available and they need to be held to account- they can either meet his needs or support another more appropriate placement.

PaulHollywoodsleftbollockhair · 13/12/2019 14:43

Social services. CAHMS also need to be involved to offer their support.

ChristaMSieland · 13/12/2019 14:48

@ChristaMSieland I’m really not. My son gets 522 in benefits plus motability car. I get 1400 UC plus Carers plus child benefit. I have 2 other children.

Your son gets £522 PLUS a motability car? That is more than DLA. What else are you including?

If you ARE one of the FT carers who get sufficient income under this regime, it is because you have a severely disabled child and two more children (plus small mortgage and child maintenance coming in?)

Why would you frame it so goadily?

LemonTT · 13/12/2019 14:49

People voted Tory or for other parties because Labour was not an option they could face. Badly led by a cabal of ideologists they have missed open goal after open goal to be the party of government.

breakfastpizza · 13/12/2019 14:50

It's your fault for not winning the vagina lottery. Or some other nonsense.