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To wonder if the stripper was a girl and the resident a man... this would be weird?

31 replies

00100001 · 12/12/2019 18:30

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-50760470

So an 89year old woman requested a man with a big chest and biceps for Christmas. And a stripper was invited into the care home and had pictures taken etc.

It's all portrayed as very good fun.

But if this had been an 89year old man, requesting a woman with 'big bobs and long legs'
Do we think the care home wouldn't have ordered a stripper...and then taken photos and then the BBC report it as feel good fun new article?

OP posts:
MonstranceClock · 12/12/2019 18:32

It’s a double standard, but I’m sure the women of mumsnet will be along to tie themselves in knots about how it’s fine because of the “power imbalance”.

EvilPea · 12/12/2019 18:33

Yep I agree and thought the same.

Pinkarsedfly · 12/12/2019 18:33

A girl with big bobs?

Like Dawn O’Porter?

Wink
00100001 · 12/12/2019 18:34

Ha ha :p

OP posts:
BuildBuildings · 12/12/2019 18:34

The historical un equal power relationship is in men's favour. So it's never going to be the same if reversed.

ChristmasMovie · 12/12/2019 18:34

In the situation you're imagining, are females still the oppressed class or are you rewriting history?

andpancakesforbreakfast · 12/12/2019 18:35

are females still the oppressed class or are you rewriting history?

didn't take long...

ChristmasMovie · 12/12/2019 18:38

You think 5 minutes to work out that women as a class are oppressed isn't long? You're really impressed... Wink

ChristmasMovie · 12/12/2019 18:39

*easily, not really

andpancakesforbreakfast · 12/12/2019 18:41

ChristmasMovie

in this country? Nope, we are good. You might very well be in a very different country where women are oppressed, but in mine we are not. Thankfully. We are not only oppressed but we have the upper hand, it's a great position to be in.

Echobelly · 12/12/2019 18:41

You're not being weird to think it would be odd the other way round, but I do think the power imbalance comes into play, so though it's a bit off, it's understandable that you'd definitely not to the other way round.

Basically, that some women might occasionally sexually objectify a man, it has zero, zilch, nada effect on men in general. Doesn't collectively do them any harm. No one takes men less seriously because male strippers are a thing.

That women are sexually objectified on adverts, in film, in the street etc, has a deleterious effect on women everywhere, encouraging people to think of them as purely there to be sexy. So collectively this stuff has a negative impact on women.

I'm honestly not as much of a po-faced killjoy as this makes me sound, but it does annoy me when people equate occasional sexual objectification of men with the overwhelming, ubiquitous sexual objectification of women everywhere.

ChristmasMovie · 12/12/2019 18:46

pancakes
We are not only oppressed but we have the upper hand

Bless you for trying!

PBo83 · 12/12/2019 18:51

I think it's quite a fun story. The guy got paid, the ladies got a bit of a show and no harm was done.

I would probably say the same if the sexes were reversed though. The body may age but the eyes don't.

StCharlotte · 12/12/2019 18:53

Of course it wouldn't happen the other way round but, you know, just sometimes a story doesn't warrant analysis or judgement. This is one of them.

safariboot · 12/12/2019 18:57

Yeah, the power imbalance is why it would seem really creepy if it were sex-reversed.

Instatwat · 12/12/2019 19:03

Big bobs Grin

Nothing intelligent to add, sorry!

geekone · 12/12/2019 19:03

@safariboot really what power does and 89 year old man have over a younger woman. I would say none.

And I don’t actually disagree we can’t cure the ingrained objectification of women by objectifying men.

PBo83 · 12/12/2019 19:09

Last year I went to a 'holiday park for older people'. We were the youngest there (it was brilliant). One evening they had a 'Broadway' type show. Accompanying the (moderate) singers were a couple of dancing girls. They were dressed (just) but clearly there as a bit of 'glamour' and harmless titillation for the older gentlemen.

As another poster said, what threat are 60/70/80 year old men. They get a bit of a show, the ladies get paid, no harm done.

Sexual titillation is not a bad thing. I like the idea of the elderly lady in this story enjoying her 'Christmas present' and I'm sure the young chap didn't object.

'Ooooh...Young Man!'

Keepmewarm · 12/12/2019 19:12

‘As another poster said, what threat are 60/70/80 year old men’.

You are very naive.

ChristmasMovie · 12/12/2019 19:21

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile

andpancakesforbreakfast · 12/12/2019 19:22

ChristmasMovie
trying what?

Last time I've checked I had the exact same rights and benefits as my husband, but biology game me all the power regarding children.

Not sure why you feel like such a victim, in a country where the head of state is female and the last PM was female too... try to assert yourself a bit more, you'll see, women in this country are in a great place.

ZigZagIntoTheBlue · 12/12/2019 19:23

That stripper looks like he's died inside, I doubt he thought that would be the glamorous stripper life!!

ChristmasMovie · 12/12/2019 19:26

You said you were oppressed and had the upper hand, dear.

There's one sex that are killed at the rate of two a week by the other sex. It's so sweet that you think that's equality!

andpancakesforbreakfast · 12/12/2019 19:56

ChristmasMovie
I don't feel oppressed, and I am really sorry for you that you do. Amusing that you feel the need to use the word "sweet" to describe someone who is not a victim or feels weak. I do pity people like you, I really do. I prefer leading by example than whining online about the inflicted unfairness and inequality of our world. That's not the way I chose to raise my daughters (or sons).

CSIblonde · 12/12/2019 20:13

Um, re 60+ men not being 'a threat' there was a 60year old serial killer in France in the late 70's. And the guy recently in the US who had a torture chamber he called his 'toy box' in his backyard was approx 70. That's just two, there are plenty more not so famous ones.