If tomorrow the Tories/Boirs defeat the NHS

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Can they own up to a picture of a child lying on the floor in the NHS, and say we need better treatment for all?

Are you semi literate OP?

Oh no, OP knows very well what they are doing.

The NHS must be taken out of this political squabble and it must be taken over by a cross party body.

This type of wailing only makes things worse.

Originally posted by a London Ambulance Service Paramedic...

“So the future of the NHS is being talked about a lot at the moment, mostly by people that don’t actually understand how it works.

Most of us when we see an ambulance going past on blue lights assume that they are going to an actual emergency.

Let me describe my day. Bear in mind as you read this that I was one of 300+ resources available to London today. I guarantee nearly all of them will have had a similar day. Please think about that as you read this...

Job 1: a man found dead by his housemate. I think we can all agree that this is what we are here for. This will be my one ‘proper job’ for quite a while I should imagine.

Job 2: a man in his 20s who had cut his hand on a broken glass. I quite literally put a plaster on it and left. In the 8 minutes I took to get there, we had 5 999 calls about this patient from various members of the family. Five. On what planet is that acceptable?

Job 3: a child of secondary school age with a cough and temperature since Friday. That’s it. Like half the children in the country at the moment they had a viral chest infection that will get better by itself, given the chance. This was a 999 call so I can’t even blame 111 for it.

Job 4: a man who pretended to have sickle cell disease in order to get a fix of morphine. You won’t believe me, but people like this are not uncommon. I fell for his act and he ended up jumping the queue at hospital. He walked out an hour later after they rumbled him - I was told after he has been doing this several times a week for years.

Job 5: a non emergency call that had waited 7 hours (I’m sure your getting the gist of why). A bed bound patient that needed to go into hospital. A genuine, albeit non emergency case. We were only there then because a neighbour had phoned 999 and made up a symptom that she knew would get a quick response. You may be able to sympathise with that, but it does not solve the problem.

Job 6: a girl in her 20s who quite literally phoned us for a lift to hospital. She lied on the phone of course, saying she had symptoms that she didn’t so that we got there quickly. She didn’t need to go to hospital. Not that it really matters, but I finished my shift late because of her.

This is one car on one day. This is a NORMAL day. It was very similar yesterday, it will be very similar tomorrow.

I ask you whether you think that is normal? Who do you think is to blame? The ambulance service is one part of the NHS - but our daily experiences are all very similar.

Be under no illusion that who you vote for on Thursday will make any difference to this - this is not the fault of government or underfunding, despite what they may say. All I see is government propaganda on both sides and people falling for it. I for one don’t want the NHS to get any more funding when it’s going to be spend perpetuating this nonsense. Do you?

Anyway, I’m glad I do the job I do because on the rare occasion I go to someone that actually needs me I know I can make a difference. The trouble is, people won’t keep doing this job unless something gives.

If the British public want to save the NHS... we need to teach them to stop abusing it’s resources 😞”

That is truly shocking.

Thank you for what you do - on the one occasion an ambulance was called to help my Dad, the paramedics were absolutely wonderful.

How you hold your tongue I do not know. But what people say is true - things given for free are not appreciated. (I do realise it isn't actually free, but you know what I mean!)

@DdraigGoch

This is terrible but unfortunately not surprising and I'm so glad you have put this in writing on here to make some people more aware of the abuse of the NHS by the general public. Time wasters should be charged for false calls, Ambulance, Fire and Police. Might make them think twice.

The damage to the NHS is due to people with unhealthy lifestyles, especially being hugely overweight with all the expensive problems this causes

Dear Paramedic,

thank you for your RL examples. People, please look at the cartoon whilst you read them.

This happens because the services are FREE at the point of use.

You can't stop it. People will always use free stuff. You CHANGE THE WAY THE NHS IS STRUCTURED. Why is this not completely obvious to anyone with a brain?

The more important question is why we have such a mediocre healthcare system? A healthcare system, which when compared to virtually any other first world country healthcare system fares rather badly.

Those on the left say it's because it needs more funding and the 1% can pay. At the same time ignoring that a country such as Singapore pays a lower % of GDP towards healthcare and obtains a better service and the fact that the funding structure of the NHS itself restricts additional funding. For example, in Germany patients can pay for additional top ups or for convenience. This significantly increases the % of GDP spent on healthcare.

Beyond just saying someone else needs to pay more those on the left will permit no criticism of the NHS.

Trying to scare people into thinking the US is going to steal our NHS has been the big trump card for the Labour party in this election. No party "weaponises" healthcare more than the Labour Party. And it is here we find the reason that people die needlessly every year in the NHS. The NHS needs major reform, but although we all know this, because it is so central to the Labour party election machine it is not possible to have a sensible conversation about healthcare in the UK. The Momentum lunatics howl down any sort of sensible discussion on healthcare and spout bile and fear about any alternative systems. The result is that an outdated, failing funding and organisational structure from the late 1940s creaks on trying to deliver a vastly more complex 21st century healthcare service. Labour and its supporters are more responsible for the suffering in healthcare than anyone else. And if you think the NHS is such a beacon of hope ask yourself why France, Germany and just about everyone else has intentionally avoided our model of healthcare. -
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They will use it as propaganda to justify selling off the NHS. This has been the plan for years, they’ve cut it so severely it’s obviously struggling and cracking under the pressure so now they can say ‘if we privatise it, it will be a better more efficient system for all’. Just watch.

The damage to the NHS is due to people with unhealthy lifestyles, especially being hugely overweight with all the expensive problems this causes

The damage is Tory cuts. End of.

In your opinion maybe Whattodoabout - but you are in no position to demand that others don't use their brain to think this through. End of - what - freedom to think and speak as one finds?

That’s a scandal worthy of the name, not some child on the floor with a self-limiting viral infection (in common with half the children in the country)

Why try to compare - they are both awful scandals. The difference is that this Tory has been in power 9 years and wants us to trust them further with the NHS - including trusting them NOT to do dirty deals with US companies - which Johnson and Co clearly intend to do.

It would be ridiculous to try to say Labour have always been fantastic for the NHS but this bunch of Tories..they've taken a difficult situation and made it a catastrophe

I didn't think kid on the floor was a scandal tbh.

This election is about Brexit. It's not about anything else despite attempts to make it about the NHS.

@Whattodoabout is spot on! They have been slowly destroying the nhs so they can justify selling it off.

Stopping the nursing diploma and bursary was the final nail in the coffin! Now we are facing massive reductions in nursing students.

@Trewser so you think it’s acceptable to treat a sick child on the floor?

It’s not seen as a scandal because so many people just accept it. Everyday my a&e is treating patients (very poorly patients) on plastic chairs in corridors. This is happening in every a&e. So to me that makes it a scandal

I didn't think kid on the floor was a scandal tbh.

Well you're definitely in the minority then.- even the Tories thought it was such a scandal they had to start putting out reports from fake 'nurses' or 'friends of nurses at LGI' that it was a Labour stunt.

A child seriously ill with flu lying on a floor for hours because there wasn't even a trolley available to make him comfortable on. If you're not bothered by that you've got a serious empathy problem.

Or you're able to go private and you've got a serious empathy problem.

Hospitals are busy. He could have sat on a chair. He had been in a bed, he got a bed. The hospital has money. A fancy new hospital is being built there. Non story.

This election is about Brexit. It's not about anything else despite attempts to make it about the NHS.

Well that's clearly bollocks isn't it? The people of this country have ensured that the NHS is an issue because it's of paramount importance to them - despite Johnson/Cummings attempts to make it all about Brexit.

You're being completely ridiculous Trewser, but since literally no-one agrees with you it's not worth challenging.

Don’t agree at all.
In an emergency, people will not stand there waiting! I had a very serious accident last year but still took myself to A&E, walked in and a nurse took one look at me and quickly moved someone out of majors to make a bed for me. Literally two minutes. The waiting room was full, clearly those people could wait, I couldn’t!

I agree with @Trewser and @RunningAwaywiththeCircus.
Yes it wasn't ideal to have to wait without a bed, but it wasn't the big scandal made out. He could have sat in a chair.