To have realised why I can't vote Labour in the GE!

[WindFlower92]

I feel that I've got to preface this by saying I'm a Labour supporter, and hate the thought of voting for BJ and his cronies.

However, me and DH were talking earlier - given how divisive JC is, and obviously Brexit also, do Labour supporters really want Labour to be the ones dealing with Brexit? I'm just thinking of how damaging it could be to them in future elections, and if they 'mess it up', they might not be elected for decades to come. Then we'd be stuck with the Tories! Think back to the Lib Dems coalition; no one my age would ever dream of voting for them even with NC gone; could this happen to Labour if they scrap Brexit, or put us through another however many years of negotiations?

For this reason I'm now thinking keep Conservative in for the next couple of years, let them deal with Brexit and tarnish their reputation, and then we can have a decade of Labour to follow as they'll be seen as the better option.

Is this crazy?

For voting purposes - yes if I'm speaking any sense!

That is ridiculous. Labour are best equipped to deal with Brexit AND the future of our country. Have you been reading newspapers funded by the billionaires that would lose out if Labour get in? They want you think Corbyn is incapable of handling Brexit. Evidence actually points towards the fact he would do a fantastic job. He's really knowledgeable and very fair. BJ is neither. I get that you want Conservatives to f@#* it up, reputation- wise, but we'll all be in such a shit situation with Tories in charge.

Politically homeless here too, parent of children with additional needs but voting labour, purely because the poorest &most vulnerable can’t take another 5 years of this. The welfare state can’t take another 5 years of all this.

I can’t imagine where the country will be in another 5 years.

No British government will dare take apart the NHS. It’s in every British citizen soul and heat.

Any government that tries to get rid of it are over. The Tories included.
They know this Labour are just scaremongering as usual.

@madeyemoodysmum, I personally have pointed out to you before that the NHS has been privatised by stealth since the 2012 National Health and Social Care Act was passed. All NHS contracts now have to go out to tender and 70% of them have gone to private companies who operate them under the NHS brand. It’s not scaremongering, it’s happening right now.

No British government will dare take apart the NHS
It has ALREADY been taken apart
Private companies run huge chunks of it
look at the name badges next time you go for a mammogram or an MRI or an elective surgery
ALL PRIVATE COMPANIES

The Lansley Bill caused HUGE levels of disruption and waste and opened the door to profiteering

Or perhaps Hefzi vehemently campaigned for Leave – but has changed her mind now she's got it.

She might have been sincere at the time, but now realises that Leave is working out worse than Remain would have.

Whatever the consequences in terms of Brexit, we need to get the Tories out for the sake of the NHS, state education and the vulnerable. I’m voting Labour.

I get where you are coming from but I am not willing to take the chance with the NHS to wait it out!

Nearly a decade of crippling austerity is enough.

Universal credit, food banks, cuts to NHS and council budgets, people dying on the streets.

Plus we wouldn't even be leaving bloody Europe if it's wasn't for the conservatives. Are we really going to trust the people who made the mess to clean it up now? IME people with the skills to create chaos are not the same ones who create order. We need a clean up team to come and put our broken country back together not another 5 years of hell.

At the last GE I said "You know, this could be one to lose for us". DH said "You said that last time". I understand what you are saying OP and there's part of me that hopes the inevitable Really Big Fuck-Up will destroy the Tories for good, but really we can't keep waiting for that and letting them destroy the country in the meantime: damage limitation is in order here.

OP, if your vote will make a difference - vote Labour
If your vote will not make any difference in your constituency - vote Labour anyway, you know it's the right thing to do!

Oh, OK, I reported something to MNHQ and they've said they'll have to take down my related post as troll-hunting.

My post wasn't meant to definitely say someone was a troll (rather than just... untrustworthy), but I can see why they've done that.

The chances of Labour winning outright and Corbyn being prime minister are very slim. The conservatives would ruin this country if they had no counter to their plans so the best we can hope for (IMO) is another balanced (hung) parliament where parties have to work together to move forward. So I think if you’re worried about Labour being blamed for brexit, this is an unfounded fear and if you want to vote Labour you should.

There is more to life than Brexit and the general election isn't to vote in a government for 2 years, it's 5 more years.

Jesus OP, move on from Brexit! Do you genuinely believe if you leave Conservatives to deal with Brexit, THEN they'll see sense and bring in another party? That will never happen

Totally agree Smelborp the question is how many Labour MPs we'll lose

Bloody Corbyn, move over fgs.

Sadly I don't believe there's a fuck up big enough to destroy the Tories for good, I've done enough canvassing over the years to know we're a small-c conservative country deep down, people don't like change. Or at least not in the numbers required. Things have to be absolutely falling apart for the swing voters to risk Labour, and it's not quite that bad yet.

Things have to be absolutely falling apart for the swing voters to risk Labour, and it's not quite that bad yet

Really? How bloody bad does it have to get? Do you not know anyone who has been crippled by universal credit? Disabled people told to work? Food banks? Cuts to schools? People dying in the streets? All of this could be stopped. We finally have someone willing to put it right. We have to take this opportunity for our children and their children.
This is not all about Brexit- it is about the next 5 years!

*food banks themselves are excellent but of course I mean we should not have people relying on them to survive in this day and age. This stuff can't be ignored.

That is not a good reason to vote Tory in my opinion.

However, I guess it’s a small comfort to those of us who will be gutted when Boris walks away with a majority next week.

I’m really getting sick of people saying JC is an honourable man, if he was an honourable man he would step aside and let someone with a chance of getting the Labour Party into power step in.

The British public do not want HIM as PM, if they did he’d have walked into number 10 last time when TM sat back and did nothing and still won.

I don’t want to vote Tory but I will not vote for a party with JC at the top, he couldn’t negotiate his way out of a paper bag, and he’s made it clear he’ll never step down whereas I think BJ can be more easily replaced.

I think BJ can be more easily replaced

I think you’re deluded.

You want Brexit 'done' ? Ok, so let's say we're out at the end of Jan.
Then what?
Boris & his cronies in charge of dismantling the country for 5 years?
You don't agree with their policies so WTH do you want to give them the chance to implement them?

This is not a Brexit election. It's a f'ing GENERAL election. So much more to consider.

I am not party loyal and have voted both conservative and labour in the past. I really think if they had a different leader things would and could have been so much better for Labour. They had a golden opportunity with all the infighting within the conservatives, and debates over Brexit to present themselves as a credible alternative but now both parties are so extreme.
Having to choose either or is like choosing whether you want to jump off a motorway bridge or lie in front of a train.

Even if you are voting just about Brexit, this is silly. If the Tories stuff up Brexit (and they will) you can't reverse the damage by electing a Labour government in 5 years' time. The damage is permanent.

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