To have realised why I can't vote Labour in the GE!

[WindFlower92]

I feel that I've got to preface this by saying I'm a Labour supporter, and hate the thought of voting for BJ and his cronies.

However, me and DH were talking earlier - given how divisive JC is, and obviously Brexit also, do Labour supporters really want Labour to be the ones dealing with Brexit? I'm just thinking of how damaging it could be to them in future elections, and if they 'mess it up', they might not be elected for decades to come. Then we'd be stuck with the Tories! Think back to the Lib Dems coalition; no one my age would ever dream of voting for them even with NC gone; could this happen to Labour if they scrap Brexit, or put us through another however many years of negotiations?

For this reason I'm now thinking keep Conservative in for the next couple of years, let them deal with Brexit and tarnish their reputation, and then we can have a decade of Labour to follow as they'll be seen as the better option.

Is this crazy?

For voting purposes - yes if I'm speaking any sense!

confusedbeetle the next stage could leave a lot of people much poorer and the NHS in tatters. I have no idea why you would be so keen to ‘move on’ to it.

I can see where you are coming from, but there is too much at stake for such games.

Far more readily than Johnson, yes. At least he'd turn up, be polite and not waffle absolute pish.

I'm not a Labour voter, but I heartily agree. Corbyn is serious and considered in what he does. He listens to others and he's calm. Johnson is like Trump with a flowery vocabulary.

Definitely not a Tory @Logjam! Just feel that as Brexit is such a divisive issue and people seem to doubt JC, will people really be happy with any outcome? And if not, is 5 years of Tory rule a sacrifice worth making for a longer Labour rule after?

Do people really think that the incoherent, disrespectful, untruthful Boris Johnson will better represent our country than the erudite, well-mannered, courteous and kind Jeremy Corbyn?

Where do you get these opinions, please? You must watch something different to me because I think that Jeremy is a real man of honour. He understands the lives of the majority of people in this country, he listens to those working on the frontline of service, he is far more respectful than Johnson.

What a great choice of leaders we all have, eh?

I'm voting Labour (even though I don't agree with many of their policies and attitudes like anti-semitism and women) because the underfunding of public services is my biggest concern.
I have children who see the under funding every day at school eg teachers buying class resources out of their wages and I worry about knife and drug crime (County Lines for instance) and the difficulty in sourcing prompt health treatment on the NHS. Another 5 years of Tory government will see all this worsen imo

Quite OP. Things can only get better, ho ho

Labour should be a shoe in for the next decade NOW. Brexit is already a shitshow, as is the rest of it. That they in all probability arent is the fault of the current Labour leadership. However, Brexit is not a given yet. A minority Labour government would have a referendum. They would have to. There is a chance for people to vote remain or for a deal that includes being in the customs union and the single market.

Labour will negotiate a deal with the EU. Then we will get to vote on that deal and remaining. It's the least harmful way out of the brexit mess.

Also, as said the GE isn't just about Brexit.

"Get Brexit Done" is a meaningless slogan.

What will happen is start an interim period, then spend ten years negotiating with hundreds of countries in an attempt to get back to a position not as good as the one we've decided to junk.

So what Boris saying is "Vote for me and I will Meaningless Slogan."

Would you buy that?

As a disabled person I can't cope with another five years, I'm barely hanging on right now as it is.

Please think of the most vulnerable in society when you vote.

I cannot vote Labour because of the inaction over anti-semitic comments. However, Mr Johnson is the worst Prime Minister certainly since Lord North if not of all time, a man who lies on an industrial scale and treats women very badly.

Sad that along with many people I know, I am politically homeless.

To worry about NHS not lasting 5 years under conservatives you need to worry about country lasting 5 years under labour. Open boarders, power cuts, strikes, control of broadband etc. bankruptcy, free handouts, taxing large businesses, should I go on!!!

100% this SunsetBoulevard3

If the Conservatives do things that cannot be undone in the next five years such as Brexit and trade deals opening the NHS to US pharmaceutals, then how can any future government sort it out?

That is crazy. Once the NHS and our workers rights etc are gone it will be near impossible to get them back. The NHS would be definitely for good.

Am also politically homeless ForalltheSaints I think a lot of people are.

Watch this

waffle absolute pish.

That's what he does though. He sounds like a robot reading off an autocue and has no sense of humour and no personal charisma either.

I am not a Tory either though.

In the MN world it's crazy - people fall all over themselves to say how they believe strangers on eg sexual assault, how the Tories are evil but won't believe the 93% of British Jew's who say that the Labour Party is now institutionally antisemitic.

Never mind "I believe her" : I believe the Chief Rabbi. It's not for me, as a non-Jews, to decide these are smears against Corbyn. It's not for me, as a non-Jew, to say this isn't antisemitism. It is for me, as a non-Jew, to stand alongside and support our Jewish minority, and believe them when they make these claims.

It absolutely fucking sickens me to see how many ignorant, racist morons there are who don't give enough of a shit about Jews to not vote Labour. That's the kind of shit that should make you feel ashamed to be British, not that Leave won.

I'm to the left of Corbyn, and a Remainer, but fuck this shit: I'm not an antisemite, I'm not a racist and this shit is not happening in my name.

And for those of you selfish enough or ignorant enough to give zero fucks - remember what Pastor Bonhoeffer wrote. Because it starts with the Jews but never ends there. Not in 1290 and not in 2019. If you won't stand in solidarity with Britain's Jews because it's the right thing to do - even if it means more Boris- then think about your own self-interest. For over a thousand years, what starts with the Jews never ends with them. Never.

Brexit is hard to fuck up even more, it's already costing us billions.
Personally I will pay more tax with Labour but I rely on a old CS disability pension and I trust Labour not to mess with it and as a heavy nhs user I despair at it being split and sold.
I like JC as a backbencher, he's not a forceful leader though. He won't necessarily stay leader for long.
Boris and his front bench are all self serving, highly questionable members of society, nvm parliament.
How much is JRM personally stand to profit from brexit? Either £4.000.000 or £7.000.000. Who is he thinking about?

@WindFlower92 YANBU.

This in the conservative manifesto and worries me massively:

www.indy100.com/article/page-48-tory-manifesto-general-election-judiciary-courts-constitution-9234351

I think whilst Brexit will be a pile of shit no matter who implements it, that’s not a reason to have 5 more years of damage to the country.

More inequality will just increase far right tendencies and hostility in the country.

@WindFlower92 I am on the fence with this.

I can't stand the Conservatives, but part of me wishes they would thrash Labour, and it will (HOPEFULLY) force Jeremy Corbyn out. Corbyn has lost again and again, loads of Labour MPs have quit, and millions of lifelong Labour supporters have deserted the party in droves. Yet the bloody bloke is still there! WTF will it take to get rid of this man?!

Even though I have voted Labour all my life, (up to this past 3 or 4 years,) I feel I can't vote for Labour now, because Corbyn is ruining the party. He is WAY too left wing, and so is the whole party! But on the other hand, I can't bring myself to vote for the Conservatives!

I am struggling, and don't know (at this point) who I am going to vote for!