AIBU to be shit scared of BJ winning the next election?

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Not sure how everyone else is doing, but I am just increasingly terrified about the idea that BJ and the likes of Jacob Rees-Morgan, Ian Duncan Smith (god they are just so disgusting ) are going to win this election. Got family in Australia and this morning it was raining ash and people literally can't breathe. The Tories are going to do nothing, zero, nada about climate change. And when I look at my kids I just don't know how we are going to survive another five years. and don't get my started about the state of the kid's school - the teachers are doing their best, but the reality is it's a shit show bc of how many cuts they have had. Friends are going canvassing for Labour and me and DH are doing our bit too - but it all just feels surreal - BJ talks shit, tells lies, and has reinvented himself as "new" when the fucker has been IN GOVT for years. Any got any ideas on how we can turn this around?

You only have to look at the increase in food banks to see what has been happening.

Please everyone can you all add some items to your local food bank. For some families it will be the difference in eating or not this Christmas with no school dinners to help for the younger children.

The UK now has more food banks than it does McDonald outlets.

I think there were precisely none in 2010.

Can you feed your children, have access to health care and education?

More and more people cannot and don't, disproportionately those whose children have SEN.

How is it possible to diagnose someone as being 'hysterical' when they're on a webpage? The popular media now promotes the view that anyone disagreeing with their viewpoint is 'hysterical,' and we also have people posting their own personal political opinions being described as 'hysterical'. There is also an 'outpouring of grief' by the general public, according to the press, when someone in the public eye dies. I've never personally come across an 'outpouring of grief' in my life. People have differing opinions/values/knowledge. Unless we know them personally we can't know if they're 'hysterical' or having an 'outpouring of grief'. The 'hysteria' label is a way of shutting someone down if they don't agree with your views.

Puzzleandpissedoff
I do agree that "once a lie is printed, it spreads through word of mouth and many accept it as fact", though ... indeed it's perhaps why some of us keep linking such as FullFact to counter things like the endlessly repeated "120,000 austerity deaths"

You could have given some more obvious examples of outright whoppers endlessly repeated and in need of fact checking. Whilst that figure should be treated and discussed as a calculation, or extrapolation, rather than fact, it originates from academic research and is not in the outright lie category of the Tory manifesto promises to recruit 50,000 more nurses and build 40 new hospitals. (Those untruths involve false figures/redefining the words more and build).

Presumably you're not discounting the impact austerity has had based on your disagreement with the figures put forward in the BMJ (or the way that Labour have cited them)?

twitter.com/hannahitv/status/1203336121368928257?s=21

Above link of a reporter questioning Boris properly

thehorse

I just had to google that as i thought it couldn’t be right but it is...thats dreadful!

I'm going to put a yule log in the food bank next week

Good for you. How far do you think one Yule log will go?

5 more years of this is terrifying and I’m no JC fan.

YABU and hysterical.

If you think Corbyn and his twisted mob of economically-clueless, anti-semites will help the country let alone the planet, you need help.
Totally agree
Wake up!!

'anti-semites'

Opposed Boris, who doesn't hate anyone who isn't white and privately educated.

It's utterly fucking laughable the number of people who come out with that stick and then happily plan to vote tory. Hypocrites.

Why are you all so scared of Corbyn? To those who are posting about anti-Tory 'propaganda' (which makes me snort, surely we are all agreed that Boris is obviously a racist, sexist horrible incompetent man) can you honestly not see that you are being fed propaganda about Corbyn and 'anti semitism' in Labour? Do you really not get that the anti semitism thing is the dead cat thrown on the table to distract you from the many failures of the Tories??

This election is making me despair even more of the human race.

I'm English and I live in Scotland. SNP all the way for me. And a definite yes to independence if the Tories win (which they will, it's utterly depressing).

"Anti-semite" is one of those memes which is spreading by word of mouth and has little of substance behind it.

"“The minimum requirements for a claim that there is a ‘problem’ in a given area (e.g. antisemitism in the Labour Party) is that it is distinctly and measurably worse than in other places or in society as a whole. If that hasn’t been shown , (and it hasn’t been) it’s not a Labour Party problem it’s a societal problem.”

from voxpoliticalonline.com/2019/12/03/jewish-former-childrens-laureate-michael-rosen-is-voting-labour-here-he-explains-why/

"Do patients know – have they even been told by the one in seven GP practices across England that pass on their clinical details"

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/07/nhs-medical-data-sales-american-pharma-lack-transparency

I shall be ringing my surgery tomorrow to ask if patient data is passed on. I don't expect a proper answer so a Freedom of Information request will follow.

Any response will be too late of course, the election will be long over, but I'd like to know for sure if this is true (I expect it is ) .

You are, of course, free to interpret the reasons for sale as you wish.

@somm excellent point about the accusation of being 'hysterical'. It's incredibly disrespectful, condescending and a very lazy ignorant way of trying to shut down an argument. And for females, who for centuries have been accused of being 'hysterical' when we've dared to try and do silly things like claim our rights, to use it against other females...yeah, have a word with yourself please. Or try and formulate a more coherent argument.

There are several legitimate reasons for GP surgeries to be passing clinical data around. Sharing specific details about patient care is one. Another is the concept of open data for research. But there has always been the concern that it could be misused, and our safeguarding now is distinctly lacking. Quis custodiet custodes, if half of the NHS is private companies.

Yes, indeed it is shocking. The UK now has more food banks than it does McDonald outlets.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/more-food-banks-than-mcdonalds-17374595

*YABU and hysterical.

If you think Corbyn and his twisted mob of economically-clueless, anti-semites*

Oh the irony.

Yes, it's the party which has been in power since 2010 that has doubled the deficit.

On what basis does that make their opposition 'economically clueless?'

YANBU. Literally have no clue what is so terrifying about Corbyn, when the maths is not there for him to get a majority - he would have to work with others. Johnson and his far right Ukippy version of the Tories could be completely unfettered, if gets a majority - that is truly frightening. Vote tactically to stop the Tories. They are not the party they once were - they got rid of all the decent ones.

"Corbyn is an antisemite" has basically become the UK version of "but her emails" - designed to deflect and distract the masses from the more obvious threats to their security and wellbeing.

Yes, I’m sure the Equalities and Human Rights Commission is investigating institutional antisemitism in the Labour Party just for fun...

Or it could just mean that Corbyn’s Labour Party is chock-full of antisemites, as the Jewish Labour Movement has documented in painful detail.

Sakura good point. The Cons know what to go for