AIBU to be shit scared of BJ winning the next election?

[thentherewerefour]

Not sure how everyone else is doing, but I am just increasingly terrified about the idea that BJ and the likes of Jacob Rees-Morgan, Ian Duncan Smith (god they are just so disgusting ) are going to win this election. Got family in Australia and this morning it was raining ash and people literally can't breathe. The Tories are going to do nothing, zero, nada about climate change. And when I look at my kids I just don't know how we are going to survive another five years. and don't get my started about the state of the kid's school - the teachers are doing their best, but the reality is it's a shit show bc of how many cuts they have had. Friends are going canvassing for Labour and me and DH are doing our bit too - but it all just feels surreal - BJ talks shit, tells lies, and has reinvented himself as "new" when the fucker has been IN GOVT for years. Any got any ideas on how we can turn this around?

Sorry- I meant anyone who has actually read it, knows what they are talking about and has not just picked up their opinions from the rig be wing press.

So fucking rude.....and what makes it worse is that it's obvious from this post you don't actually have a clue.

“So fucking rude.....and what makes it worse is that it's obvious from this post you don't actually have a clue.“

So- tell me some hard left policies from the Labour manifesto.

*Abbott is criticised at every turn because she's an utterly incompetent fuckwit.” But BJ is an incompetant fuckwit and lies and bluffs and dismisses and yet he is forgiven...and I think I would hazard a guess as to why - he's white and male...helps enormously.

"So I'm voting Green for the first time ever. In the hope that it will at least flag up that the environment needs more consideration, esp if others follow suit."

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Labour beats all the other parties on tackling the environmental crisis.
And unlike the Greens, Labour could well be in a position to actually do something about it.

In the Friends of the Earth's environmental assessment of the main UK-wide party manifestos, Labour scores even higher than the Green Party for significant policies to respond to the climate and ecological crisis.

'Election manifestos: Labour tops Friends of the Earth’s climate and nature league table'

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50692435

Dian Abbot’s son has mental health issues, I believe.

Somebody said to James O’Brian on LBC (so shoot me!) “The main reason I want Brexit is because it pisses off people like you”

To be fair - James O'Brien is an exceptionally irritating man.

I see that he is claiming to be a 'hero' now ["James O'Brien 'proves' that Boris says 'talent' rather than 'colour''] when he was one of the people spreading the falsehood in the first place! I bet his producer was frantically waving Channel 4's apology through the glass.

ColourMagic

The Green Party does not have Corbyn and Momentum running the party

So taking a look at what other parties have to offer and deciding that the environmental issues are of high importance is why I and many other ex labour voters shall be voting for them this election

For many while The Labour Party is controlled by Corbyn/Momentum they will have lost a large number of voters and they won’t return until things change

I shall be rejoining the Labour Party after the election so I can place my vote in the next leadership contest (if able to under the rules)

@Trewser actually I’m a floating voter.

The Green party can advise. But will never be in a position to turn their environmental advice into national policy. Fact. Labour could well be in a position to put strong environmental saving policies into practice.

Sniping about Corbyn is not helping the environment either.

It doesn't appear to have helped the way he turned out, does it?

Well it says he is a Cambridge Law grad so it helped in some ways didn’t it? Or are you saying white Cambridge grads have never been in trouble with the law?

163 internationally renowned economists endorse Labour’s spending plans.

15 of them work at the University of Greenwich - 67th for economics in the UK (2020 League Tables).

I’m well aware that Green Party shall never be in power as are others

We all know keeping Corbyn as Leader of the Labour Party shall never support all the people and causes they claim to as he will never be PM and the Labour Party shall once again be in opposition (let’s just hope with a better leader soon so that a good solid opposition party is in place)

All those floating voters are needed

“It doesn't appear to have helped the way he turned out, does it?”

Not even private schools can protect you from mental health issues.

As a natural liberal and feminist I have voted Lib Dem for years. However their self id policy means I cannot vote for them as I would be voting my rights as an adult human female away.

Labour scares me, their financial policy seems to be unrealistic and the anti-Semitic accusations and Corbyn’s drive to nationalise everything again just seems dated. They have said nothing that inspires me to vote for them.

So as a low income single parent who struggles financially that leaves the tories! The party most likely to make my life harder, spearheaded by a man who is a national lampoon of ridiculousness and who I actually think has a carefully cultivated persona and the personality of a shark.

Basically I have no flipping idea what to do. I’m also in a swing seat. My local MP has retired and it looks like we are going to swing blue after decades of being red. Libs, green and plaid are minuscule in their polling numbers so it comes down to the big 2.

I feel disenfranchised by the whole thing and not represented by any party in its politics and vision for the future.

James OBrien is extremely irritating and vain so I can understand why someone would be goaded into making such a ridiculous remark.

Tragically, I can also believe that some people might hate their country enough to want Brexit for that reason and to vote in Johnson as Prime Minister, someone who hates democracy and doesn't give a shit about the people, businesses or institutions of our country.

I’ve not read anything about him having mental health issues

Did the attack happen while he was suffering from a psychotic episode?

Not read full thread @thentherewerefour but I'd like to reassure you regarding Iain Duncan Smith... I live in his constituency and it's very likely he's going to lose his seat!

Scarier thought that Corbyn may win!

163 internationally renowned economists endorse Labour’s spending plans.... including:

David G. Blanchflower Bruce V. Rauner Professor of Economics, Dartmouth College; Professor of Economics. University of Stirling; former member of the Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee

Victoria Chick Emeritus Professor of Economics, University College London

Lord Meghnad Desai Emeritus Professor of Economics, London School of Economics and Political Science

Stephany Griffith-Jones Emeritus Professorial Fellow, Institute of Development Studies, University of Sussex; Financial Markets Director, Initiative for Policy Dialogue, Columbia University

Simon Wren-Lewis Emeritus Professor of Economics and Fellow of Merton College, University of Oxford

Jonathan Aldred Director of Studies in Economics, Emmanuel College, and Faculty of Economics, University of Cambridge

Tanweer Ali Lecturer, Empire State College, State University of New York

Patrick Allen Chair, Progressive Economy Forum

Carolina Alves Joan Robinson Research Fellow in Heterodox Economics, Faculty of Economics and Girton College, University of Cambridge

Plenty more Professor's and Fellows from Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, UCL etc signed the letter.

Interesting that Abbott didn't speak of the family mental health issues here: stokenewington.info/2015/02/13/diane-abbott-on-mental-health/

Perhaps somebody has a link to where they've been mentioned ... ?

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Interesting that Abbott didn't speak of the family mental health issues here: stokenewington.info/2015/02/13/diane-abbott-on-mental-health/”

Why should she talk about her adult son?

Sorry- I meant anyone who has actually read it, knows what they are talking about and not just picked up their opinions from the rig be wing press

Well, there’s a video on the other thread (I can link it again if you wish) of a focus group of Labour voters who’ve never voted Conservative before but are stating a strong preference for voting Tory this time around. One of the reasons they mention is that they’re worried about Corbyn’s economic policies. To be fair they don’t actually say “I believe the Labour manifesto is Hard Left” but it’s pretty clear that they are deeply concerned and suspicious about where the money will come from for his spending promises.

Your post states that you think anyone who hasn’t read the full manifesto doesn’t “know what they are talking about” and have simply “picked up their opinions from the right wing press”. It’s rather dismissive (and snobbish) to suggest that ordinary working people who have voted Labour in the past and would very much like the opportunity to vote for them again but can’t under this current bunch are effectively stupid. What makes you believe these kinds of people - the normal, just-want-a-decent-life working people featured in the Channel 4 video, among others - are too thick to make up their own minds?

The vast majority of people who work and have families and normal lives really don’t have the time to sit down after a hard day’s grind and read their way through an 80 page manifesto. We all rely on a number of different sources, including the press, gut instinct and conversations with family and friends, to make up our mind. To dismiss all everyone who does this as “not knowing what they are talking about” effectively means that you’re levelling this accusation the vast majority of the British electorate.

But perhaps you’re just having yet another dig at Tory voters, and dressing it up in “enquiring” language. That’s the more likely explanation, I guess.

“ Your post states that you think anyone who hasn’t read the full manifesto doesn’t “know what they are talking about” and have simply “picked up their opinions from the right wing press””
No. I only think that about people
who say that current Labour policies are Hard Left.

Why should she talk about her adult son?

No reason to mention an individual, but "my own family's experience" might have covered it without breaking any confidences - especially when Abbott's quite keen on raising other struggles she's experienced

TBF, though, I hadn't previously heard this mentioned at all, whereas it seems you have ... do you have a link please?

I haven’t actually got a link- and I can’t find one so maybe I’m wrong. Somebody mentioned it in the constituency when he “left “ the Foreign Office earlier in the year