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I know IABU... but why would my friend choose to get pregnant?!

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IShineAShoe · 05/12/2019 11:16

I’ll start by saying this woman is a very dear friend, I have known her for years.. but she can be very hard work.
She has a lot of issues around money. She has plenty, her husband drunkenly mentioned her savings account with £40k in it one night we were out together as a group. She is notoriously tight, hates spending more than she has to. For her hen weekend a few years ago we travelled to a uk city a few hours away by train and spent every night in a cheap chain pub because she didn’t want to spend a lot, and chose a hotel 2miles outside the city centre and made us walk everywhere because it was cheaper (by about £10) and taxis were a waste of money. At times she has ended up on medication because she gets very anxious about spending money.

She also has a few issues around her weight, she has worked well in the last couple years doing strict diets and she goes to the gym 3/4 times a week. She is very image conscious and gets very anxious if she thinks she’s putting on weight.

On top of that she is very house proud in terms of cleanliness. If anything is out of place she gets very upset and plans her week around her cleaning schedule.

Everything in my head is screaming that why on earth does she want a baby?! I had my first 3 years ago and there were a lot of comments from her about everything that a baby brings e.g they are so expensive, they’ll make a mess, pregnancy changing her body. I honestly thought she had ruled out children. 6 months ago she announced she was 7 weeks pregnant, and on the same breath asked how I was getting on Ttc, unfortunately I had the previous week suffered a miscarriage at 6 weeks, so I told her this. I get that I might be feeling a little raw about this due to the circumstances, but she’s complaining to me about everything despite knowing I should be going through the same things she is, and I’m not.

Her latest thing is about towels. She’s had long serious discussions with me about blankets, how many does she need? Are they essential? Can she just use a throw she already has for the sofa? It’s ridiculous. She’s also got very upset about spending money on other “essentials” such as muslins (!!), bottles, steriliser, baby furniture and the pram. I remember the joy I had when I was preparing for my first and getting to choose all the things he would need. She has none of that, everything is about trying to save money. She’s already saved a lot by buying second hand, but it’s not enough! She’s kept a running total of it all and in her words “it’s made her feel sick”.

I can’t help but really worry about her, and her baby! I’ve encouraged her to go to baby groups to make mum friends and get out the house when she’s on mat leave, but it’s always about the cost and how she can’t afford it (when i know that she can). I’m hoping when baby is here she’ll relax about things and spend the money on what baby needs (and the things that will make her life easier!). I don’t want to distance myself from her, but I’m exhausted by it all and a little resentful that she’s having a baby and miserable about it when she knows my baby would have been almost due too.

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Eggies · 05/12/2019 11:21

What a poor woman it must be a miserable thing to rely so heavily on money sat in the bank. Hopefully once baby is here she'll naturally let go.

So very sorry about your loss OP Flowers

stayathomer · 05/12/2019 11:22

I'm so sorry about your loss first off but yes yabu. People grumble to people and go on about things but it doesn't mean when a baby comes she won't be overjoyed and give him/her her all. It could just be idle chat or she might be trying to get you involved or something. And I find I have people I moan to without th i nking and I don't mean it, I'm just negative with some people, positive with others. I know a few people I'd never have taken for such motherly mother's and they've smashed it out of the park

MiniEggAddiction · 05/12/2019 11:25

It sounds like she has some fairly serious mental health issues. I would hope she could speak with a counsellor to help her through them otherwise I feel sorry for her child (not so much the baby who doesn't need money spent on it but it would be miserable for an older child to be so aware of money all the time). I'm really sorry to hear about your miscarriage OP.

Aloe6 · 05/12/2019 11:26

I’m sorry about your loss, but you are BU. It sounds like she has some mental health issues.

HulksPurplePanties · 05/12/2019 11:28

She obviously doesn't see herself the way you do. To her, her behavior is completely ok and normal. She may well be a great Mum I mean I doubt it but.

IShineAShoe · 05/12/2019 11:39

All of her behaviours stem from her own mother who is incredibly tight fisted. I do believe there are mental health issues there too, her anxiety is worsens when she feels like she’s losing control over money e.g not finding something she needs which fits in with her very tight budget she’s set herself.

I’ve offered to lend her some of my baby equipment now that I know I’m not going to be expecting baby number 2 anytime soon, as I thought that would ease some of her money anxiety. But she’s not grateful for it, and financially she’s in a much better state than I am, so it’s a bitter pill when she keeps talking about how everything is still so expensive. Angry she knew what to expect!

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Myusernamecame · 05/12/2019 11:44

There are lots of free baby classes at local libraries you do have to look around though.

dottiedodah · 05/12/2019 11:49

firstly Im sorry for your loss,its hard to bear especially when your friend is pregnant and not very tactful either! Maybe she said negative comments to you previously ,because she was trying to conceive? Its difficult to know really .Sometimes money becomes a way of control as well?The point is as most of us lucky enough to have children ,realise as soon as DC is born, that any preconceptions of cleanliness etc go out of the window! I would maybe distance yourself a little as you may be feeling raw from your MC, and need time to yourself to try and come to terms with it .Maybe see other friends and let her go a little .

Rainbowtheunicorn · 05/12/2019 11:49

Do you actually want to be friends with her? Because if so I think you just need to accept her the way she is.

SweetAsSpice · 05/12/2019 11:50

Whatever kind of person she is, she still will have that biological urge to procreate (and yes...I know not all women feel this) people from all walks of life have babies. It’s what we do.

Gently - you do sound very over invested in her business though, and I completely understand why you feel resentful. But try to step back from worrying yourself over her life choices. You can choose not to listen.

Sorry for your loss Flowers

tashakg89 · 05/12/2019 11:53

Having a baby might change her. before I had kids I struggled a lot with similar things and as soon as I had a baby all my focus shifted to them. I'm still very anxious about money but the kids get everything and I keep my money 'worries' to myself. same with the body image issues, I ha eating disorders before I had kids and had done for many years but as soon as I had them it went away and I gained control without even trying. your friend might be the same.

DontBiteTheBoobThatFeedsYou · 05/12/2019 11:54

Does she come from great poverty?

Did her parents struggle with money when she was a child? This usually stems from somewhere. I feel sorry for her, that anxiety sounds utterly consuming.

I'm sorry for your loss, that must be very hard especially given the timing of your friends pregnancy.

HeckyPeck · 05/12/2019 11:55

I’m sorry for your loss.

I do think you are being unreasonable. Your friend clearly has some real difficulties and I think your grief for your loss is being transferred as anger on to her.

I feel for her - it must be incredibly difficult navigating her very real and money anxiety on top of all the usual pregnancy related worries.

OrangeZog · 05/12/2019 12:03

I’m sorry about your miscarriage. Flowers I am guessing that your friend hasn’t experienced one so doesn’t understand how upsetting they can be. It is really hard when you can’t get away from milestones that your pregnancy or baby should be at and I understand that.

It sounds like your friend has just continued with the same worried she had during pregnancy and I expect they are deep rooted enough that they will continue when the baby is born.

Whilst her financial situation may seem to be better than yours, it’s very difficult to compare. Perhaps, for example, she has no pension plans and that’s what her savings are for or perhaps she doesn’t have any sickness pay from work so saves just in case. For a lot of people, having some savings lowers an anxiety about not having a job or being unwell. I don’t think there is anything wrong with being careful with what you spend. Presumably when you go out and she refuses to get a taxi, you can travel in different ways if you want to rather than resent her dictating to you.

I think you either accept this is what your friend is like and all the reminders of what you should be going through or else you step away and leave her to it.

IShineAShoe · 05/12/2019 12:03

Thank you, I am taking all you are saying on board.

I do not see my friend very often, maybe once a month? She doesn’t like to go out spending money, so well maybe just meet for tea and a catch up at each other’s houses, but as I live 30 mins from her she is always wary about petrol costs.
She doesn’t have many friends, and out of maybe 4? I am the only one who has a child already. Due to this, I think she relies on me for all these questions “will 2 bottles be enough?”, “do I need to buy a baby bath?”, “will baby need socks?”. I always answer as honestly as I can, and I am being more forward in reminding her that yes babies cost money and things are worth it if it makes the job easier!
As I said, she is a dear friend but I find her hard work. Her issues around money are exhausting, and it’s ok to say to not get involved, but when she is asking me questions she is involving me. I don’t know if I’m helping her, but I hope that I am. She will not make a decision about purchases quickly, so she’ll be thinking of spending £5 on a packet of muslins for weeks wondering if they are really essential. My idea is that if Ive already told her how I used 10 a day with my sicky newborn she can just buy them and move on.

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Zaphodsotherhead · 05/12/2019 12:06

It's a bit odd that she's all about saving money, yet she's going to FF? Breastfeeding would save her so much money!

You never know, having a baby might show her that she can lighten up a bit without the world ending. I do hope so for her (and her child's) sake.

Sorry about your loss.

RollOnNextYear · 05/12/2019 12:09

I get what your saying. You're not being mean you're trying to help and make her see things from a different perspective.
I'd say apart from baby furniture, I'd get standard size. Pretty much everything else is quite essential, give or take a couple of bits.
Hopefully she'll. Realise and adapt easily. She wont have much time for a cleaning schedule once baby gets bigger.. I found newborn easy as when slept I got on.
But I also had things to make my life easy.. Ie. 8 bottles. About 20 Muslins. (again sicky baby) loads of everything basically, and it all got used and is now ready to use again except non reusable items.

IShineAShoe · 05/12/2019 12:13

Her family weren’t wealthy from an outsider looking in. Her and her sister were always well taken care of but they didn’t have holidays and weren’t really taken anywhere. Her parents won’t retire despite being early 70s, because “they can’t afford it”, yet I know that their house is paid off and they have over £100,000 in the bank (my friend told me this as this is her goal!).
Previously she always said her savings were to pay for the bills when she was on mat leave as her work only pay statutory. Now, she has said her husband will need to pay everything, ignoring that she has that money sat there and she previously said that was the purpose of it. I haven’t commented on that, I do have my own opinions about their finances they have together as a couple (completely separate, even food shopping is split by who eats what). But if it works for them so be it, it’s just not a way I could choose to live.

I know this is just who she is. She could have all the money in the bank but she’ll rather go without than dip into it. I do hope that it changes when she has her baby, because otherwise I can see her being miserable and begrudging spending any money on buying baby clothes in the next size or a new toy.

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Whattodoabout · 05/12/2019 12:15

I’m sorry for your loss but I do think it’s majorly clouding your judgement here. I completely understand because I’ve had three miscarriages myself and I know the pain and bitterness it brings. People are allowed to whinge about pregnancy and having a baby though, she’s telling you because she considers you a good friend and trusts you. She does sound uptight but you obviously like something about her otherwise she wouldn’t still be a friend.

MoreFeministThanThou · 05/12/2019 12:16

YABU of course. But you would not be unreasonable to tell her that while you are exceedingly happy for her you are struggling a bit yourself right now and would prefer it if you talked about other things a bit as baby talk is quite hard for you.

The urge to have a child is a pretty strong one for a lot of people and the fact that it might not be practical won't always be able to counter it. I think DH was anti-mess to the point of OCD, and yes, I'm using it in its actual medical sense. But he still desperately wanted children one day.

MoreFeministThanThou · 05/12/2019 12:18

Also babies really don't need to cost anything at all. If she's tight she'll figure it all out and still have a good nest egg for when they need it.

IShineAShoe · 05/12/2019 12:18

She was against breastfeeding right from the start, she has made comments before about finding it disgusting. Maybe that’ll change when baby is here, but she’s certainly made no plans to even try.

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Oliversmumsarmy · 05/12/2019 12:21

She’s kept a running total of it all and in her words “it’s made her feel sick

This to me is a massive red flag

My own mother kept a running total about how much she spent on her children.
We each had our own book.
Even meals were costed out.

Have you asked her why she is keeping a total and wtf did she think a baby would cost.

Also is she ff because she believes the myth that bf ruins your boobs and when it came to a toss up between body and money, body won.

I feel very sorry for this baby.

That child deserves a mother who will put them first every time and not someone who has money and her body first and baby coming in a poor 3rd

Your friend is deeply unhinged and needs professional help not a pregnancy.

This won’t end well

BillieEilish · 05/12/2019 12:28

Sorry about your loss.

But Yes, YABVVU to write these things on here. If she breastfeeds etc, all completely up to her.

If she doesn't like spending money, up to her.

If you don't like her, don't be her friend.

IShineAShoe · 05/12/2019 12:29

@Oliversmumsarmy Sad I’m so sorry to that was your upbringing. I am hoping this won’t be the reality of my friend and her family.

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