AIBU to think Melania Trump is quite impressive, in a way?

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It can't be easy being married to a man like Donald Trump, and it can't be easy being in the public eye so much, but Melania Trump seems to take it all in her stride.
She is always immaculate in her appearance, and always looks so poised and calm, that I can't help being a bit impressed by the way she handles her role.

I realise she's probably had work done, and maybe she's a slave to botox, but I think she is quite striking and beautiful. Just one thing though - I wish she'd stop wearing the stupidly high heels - all her shoes seems to have 6inch heels and sometimes she looks a bit unsteady, especially when negotiating steps.

I'm not keen on her husband, but AIBU to think MT is doing a good job of being First Lady?

I think the people who live there are in a better position to understand Obama care and their own eligibility than someone posting in the UK.
You can carry on and be dismissive of people who had to make the choice (and many people believe they do have to vote or they lose the right to have an opinion about the resulting government) and their real, lived experiences. It doesn't make you right. I don't know anyone who actively wanted Trump - I do know people who thought that HC was not a better option.

She gave her life to public service

Yeah, nothing in it for her at all.

I do agree that there were some factors outside of HC control that didn't help her. Decisions made years earlier did come back to affect her campaign. To be fair, I don't know what she ought to have done about Bill, whether staying or going would have helped or hindered her more. But she didn't help herself with regards to the things which were within her control.
Trump read the mood of the people, Clinton and the Democrats in general didn't.

Trump read the mood of the people, Clinton and the Democrats in general didn't.

So, "people" who don't like women or immigrants or non-whites.

Are you suggesting that Hillary should have campaigned on building a wall?

62 million people were sufficiently dissatisfied with the alternative option that they voted for Trump. I don't believe they were all women hating racists. Some of them were women. Some voters were Hispanic. Clearly there were concerns she didn't address or things she did which put people off.

You call her impressive but concentrate solely on how she looks, what she wears?

Aderyn19 Thu 12-Dec-19 09:57:50

I think the people who live there are in a better position to understand Obama care and their own eligibility than someone posting in the UK.

You mean people like ..... ME?

I live here, in the US [fcgrin].

I know what is and isn't in 'Obamacare', and it ain't something you pay for that others benefit from.

The very fact you keep on calling it Obamacare is causing me to form a certain opinion of you and your friends.

Trump read the mood of the people, Clinton and the Democrats in general didn't.

Yes, very true.

They capitalised on the racism and misogyny they knew to be hiding not too far beneath the surface.

.... and took advantage of a backlash against 8 years of a black president.

Even Michelle wonders if they were partly responsible for Trump.

You can carry on and be dismissive of people who had to make the choice (and many people believe they do have to vote or they lose the right to have an opinion about the resulting government) and their real, lived experiences. It doesn't make you right. I don't know anyone who actively wanted Trump - I do know people who thought that HC was not a better option.

Nonsense - voter turnout in the US is historically really low, and this election was no different. It was an estimated 54.7% in 2016.

People who didn't like either Trump of Clinton could have voted for Jill Stein if they felt so strongly about voting. Or they could have written in any other candidate.

Women can be misogynists too. Phyllis Schlafly campaigned against the Equal Rights Amendment. And Hispanics and African Americans ditto.

If someone thought Clinton was not a better option they must have seen something in Trump that they liked and they must have been willing to overlook all the indicators that he is a dishonest, racist, misogynist, mentally unbalanced, narcissistic, anti-democratic, demagogue.

I do know people who actively wanted Trump. This is my own real, lived experience of Trump voters.

Fitting for this thread....

I don't know anyone who actively wanted Trump

You lose more credibility with everything you write.

Anyone who's seen passing footage of his rallies knows this isn't true. Or who's spent any time in the comments sections of social media.

What's the saying? He could shoot someone dead on Fifth Avenue, and not lose any support?

Vast swathes of people actively want Trump, and this reflects on no-one but themselves.

He said that himself, about shooting someone dead on Fifth Avenue...

I'm sure plenty of people wanted Trump. He got a lot of votes, so yes many people actively chose him over HC. I just don't believe they were all awful people. I think maybe they just didn't want more of the same, Trump was promising something different/better and they didn't like or trust HC. They were willing to overlook his character rather than vote for her.

I don't know all the circumstances of my friend's Obamacare claim - I think it had something to do with changing jobs and losing medical benefits from the old job but not yet qualifying for them in the new job, needing medical care and being told they didn't qualify for it. They were clear that they had contributed to the cost of Obamacare which is why they were angry at not being able to access help when they needed it. I don't think someone would claim to have contributed if they hadn't.

What is wrong with calling it Obamacare? Genuine question - this seems to be a commonly used term.