To wonder how you will vote if you’re a right wing remainer?

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I have a friend who has always voted conservative, but is also Polish (second generation) and strongly wants to remain in the EU. He really doesn’t know how he’s going to vote this time.

With the left being so far left right now, and Lib Dems tanking badly, I’m curious as to how people who have traditionally voted Conservative but would like to remain will vote this time, or whether they will vote at all?

I’m conservative. Not from here either. Will be voting conservative.

With the left being so far left right now, and Lib Dems tanking badly, I’m curious as to how people who have traditionally voted Conservative but would like to remain will vote this time, or whether they will vote at all?

The LDs are probably reasonable as they have been clear they won’t allow Corbyn into Downing St and their economic policies aren’t that far from the Tories. As for their vote tanking... at a national level that may be true, but I imagine that’s more to do with anti-Tory vote aligning with the party who is best placed to win, and in 80%+ of constituencies Labour are best placed. In the remaining constituencies, I’d imagine the LD vote is holding up.

The most likely outcomes of this election are either a tory government or another hung parliament.

If you want brexit or a tory government or both, you should vote for a tory MP.

If you want another ref, or to remain or not a tory government; vote for whomever has the best chance of defeating the tory in your area.

If your friend wants to remain, they'll have to take the second option and vote for whomever will keep the tories out.

Yes there should be a Conservative remain option but there isn't one and a returned tory government will be more hard-line brexit than the one we've just had because so many tory remainers have left.

Depends how much they want to remain bs their right wing views. One has to win.

I voted remain and I’m right wing. I will be voting conservative as although I didn’t want to leave the EU, at least the conservatives have a plan. I also really believe that the result should be upheld as it’s a slippery slope

Nessa, do you think the plan's a good plan, though? Do you think May's deal was preferable?

I'm a left leaning 'Leaver'. Because of Labour and Lib Dems stance, I have no choice but to vote Conservatives. It is a very strange position to be in, but I am a passionate leaver (having worked in EU finance in Central Government for 12 years) so this is how I will vote.

@claireP20 yes of course it works the other way too...if you’re a left wing leaver then voting Cons is the best option even if in general their policies go against what you believe in. I spoke to another friend last night who has always voted labour, and loves the Labour manifesto this time but is seriously thinking about voting Cons as she really wants to leave the EU.

It’s such a jumble of an election, a kind of second referendum by proxy.

I would not call myself right wing particularly although always vote Conservative . The current Tory party are very middle of the road which is probably why they will get elected. I voted Remain but that boat as sailed - we will be leaving and that's that so vote Tory to keep Corbyn out.

Labour are not going to win, a hung parliament is the best they can hope for. this will mean Corbyn won't be able to get his policies through, they will be able to get ref 2 and cancel Brexit though. As for Ind ref 2 in Scotland, the biggest threat to the union of the UK is Brexit. I can't stand Corbyn but am really hoping for a hung parliament that will (hopefully) decapitate the extremist leadership of both main parties and move us back to more normal politics.

No imagine five years with Boris in charge after he has purged the Tory party of all the one nation moderate MPs and replaced them with extremists. Read page 48 of their manifesto.

So, if I was your friend I would vote for whoever I thought would keep the Tories out, just for the moment, until they've moved back towards the centre.

On policy Lib Dem is probably your best bet. Or vote tactically.

For left wing leavers I think it's a choice between Labour's vague attitudes to Brexit, or the Brexit Party if you're hardline Get Out Now.

The current Tory party are very middle of the road which is probably why they will get elected

So middle of the road that the likes of Heseltine, Gauke and Grieve have left!

I would suggest looking at the tactical voting recommendations for their constituency. If it is Lib Dem, that is an easy one. If it is Labour the decision is much tougher. What wins out, remain or right wing? Or vote Lib Dem anyway and effectively abstain?

Historically I was a labour voter but just cannot vote for Corbyn, I'm also not in favour of a second referendum, so won't vote lib dem, I am not a fan of Swinson (her voting record speaks volumes) and last time I did they formed a coalition and backed down on just about everything I'd voted for anyway. Where does that leave me? I genuinely don't know who will get my vote this time

I have voted Tory in the last two general elections as our MP is good and struggled with all parties so not really that right wing (have also voted labour and LibDem before). I'm also a remainer and I generally align with LibDem now but going to vote labour as they were closest to Conservatives in my very strong Tory area last time.

I don't think the LDs are tanking at all, I think this is the best chance of lots of seats in decades of elections.

I am laughing at the Conservatives being very middle of the road. That could not be further from the truth. I've voted conservative in the past but wouldn't dream of it now because they are so right wing and isolationist. If Kenneth Clarke hasn't got a good word to say about the tories at the moment, there is something very very wrong.

I am laughing at the Conservatives being very middle of the road.

They are so far right wing that they are living on the same road as the fascists.

Exactly rhubarb. Whoever thinks they are very middle of the road does not pay attention to what's happening in this country

Exactly rhubarb. Whoever thinks they are very middle of the road does not pay attention to what's happening in this country

Or doesn't care.

This interests me as we are a tory safe seat but one of the highest remain voting areas.(70%) Which is why i am always puzzled by the idea that conservate equals leave as it doesnt round here. At hustings the local tory candidate talked about having to respect democracy so going back to the electorate saying ' you were too stupid to understand what you were asked so we are asking it again' would damage democratic process and was against the idea of each vote having equal value. The candidate had voted remain.

So perhaps thats the party line.

@grasspigeons Did they actually use those words?! Name and shame them if they did.

@rhubarbcrumbles - i was paraphrasing and it was a few days ago so i'm unreluable in witness terms but i am fairly sure he said stupid. But his point was thats what having a second vote says to people not that he thinks people were stupid iyswim. Its Jeremy Hunt.

Ah well if it's Jeremy 'H'unt then it's highly plausible, the man's name says it all....

Personally I think a second vote would be even more money wasted but I'd hope we'd remain.

A second referendum wouldn't indicate to me that the electorate were too stupid but that those campaigning for brexit were too stupid/shortsighted/dishonest to give people the information they needed for a fully informed vote.

I vote conservative and voted remain. I don't know for sure how I will vote this time. Probably conservative, though it's tempting to consider vote for a party who are not so set on finalising brexit, it's a difficult decision.