To wonder how you will vote if you’re a right wing remainer?

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I have a friend who has always voted conservative, but is also Polish (second generation) and strongly wants to remain in the EU. He really doesn’t know how he’s going to vote this time.

With the left being so far left right now, and Lib Dems tanking badly, I’m curious as to how people who have traditionally voted Conservative but would like to remain will vote this time, or whether they will vote at all?

I’ve always voted Conservative but am a remainer. I’m more anti-Brexit than I am Conservative so I’ll be voting Lib Dem.

I don’t like the current Conservative Party either, all the good and moderate people have left/been booted out.

I’m in a traditional Tory safe seat that also voted very strongly to remain (Home Counties) so I think it’s well worth voting against the Conservatives here.

Interestingly, the Tories don’t seem to be campaigning here at all. I think they’ve resigned themselves to losing seats like this one and they’re spending their money on trying to grab traditional Labour seats that voted to leave, mainly in the north.

I'm normally labour, my partner is normally conservative. We're both remain and will be voting Lib Dem in this election.

I'm in a marginal constituency. At the last election Libdems were narrowly beaten by the Conservatives with Labour way below. With only a 4% swing from Labour to the Libdems Libdems will win. So that's an esy decision.

it's tempting to consider vote for a party who are not so set on finalising brexit, it's a difficult decision

Why is it difficult? None of the other parties has a chance of a majority, so voting tactically to increase the likelihood of a second referendum has to be the best option, surely? You can always revert to the Tories later when/if they start being sensible again.

I'm mildly right wing, and voted Remain (EU passport holder). For the first time ever I'll be voting Labour as our current MP is fantastic and doesn't just blindly vote for what Labour supports.

Your friend should vote tactically to keep conservatives out. Any other remainer will do the same.

Sad thing is corbyn has alienated the remain vote despite the policy being coherent and sound now.

Just laughing at 'middle of the road' conservatives... They've all left or defected!

I’m a former-Labour voting centrist remainer and will be voting Lib Dem.

Labour for 5 years tops

Page 82 of Labour's manifesto says this though;

"We will oversee the largest extension of the franchise in generations, reducing the voting age to 16, giving full voting rights to all UK residents, making sure everyone who is entitled to vote can do so by introducing a system of automatic voter registration"

Full voting rights to all UK residents - not just UK citizens. Which other European countries have allowed this?

Labour also plan to have an 'open door' immigration policy and allow new arrivals full access to benefits. They could easily add 5 million voters to the electorate within 5 years - we shall never get rid of them.

I’ve voted for different parties in the past but I tend to come back to Conservative. I’m also a remainer. I’m voting Tory for a variety of reasons, as follows:
I may have voted remain but I believe in democracy. We should now be leaving the EU. For me that’s very simple.
Their manifesto considers the economy as it stands, and so for me it’s the most realistic. Labour’s is laughable.
I will not vote for Corbyn. He’s a misogynistic asshole who thinks women have penises. While the Cons have been quiet on this in the last couple of years, they allow for their MPs to be openly gender critical, and they’ve seemingly dropped any push to reform the GRA. This is a huge deal for me.
I can’t vote for the Lib Dems because they wish to decriminalise prostitution and introduce a system such as that in New Zealand, despite it being proven that it does not work and women have suffered greatly under that legislation. I advocate for the Nordic model.
Women’s issues are huge for me, and while I don’t think the Cons are squeaky clean, they definitely seem to be doing better than the rest on this front at the moment.

I think they need to hold their nose and vote tactically for anyone who will keep the Conservative out of their constituency.

Every Conservative candidate has had to sign up to Johnson’s Brexit deal as a condition of being allowed to stand, so the aim should be to keep as many as these people out of our parliament as possible and hope for a hung parliament to get us back into an even keel.

Blairite here but current version of Labour 5 years or Brexit 5 generations? No contest. Brexit is the biggest threat to my children’s future alongside Tory cuts so severe it will be difficult to reverse the damage.

Vote tactically - depends on the balance of support in the constituency. I will vote anti-Tory on the basis of brexit.

Tory spending plans are just as crazy as labour - especially given the economic downturn all major parties think will occur at least in the short term due to brexit. I’m not massively keen on LD policies either but I think it’s the most realistic.

Writers block - the Tories have been in power for 9 years. Have they achieved anything for women in that time?

@Writersblock2

Most of our anti-discrimination laws, as well as our maternity rights, have come from the EU.

I think leaving the EU could really threaten women’s rights (look at maternity rights in the US, for example - barbaric!)

I agree with you about the GRA, but I think it could be a massive, massive own goal for feminist voters to get too hung up on it. Yes, it threatens women, but not as much as the loss of our maternity rights or the loss of reproductive rights (JRM would ban abortion in all circumstances if it were up to him).

@Monkeynuts18 - I don’t disagree re Brexit, and I want us to remain. But I think voting again and again until a different decision is made makes a mockery of democracy.

@Apileofballyhoo - I don’t think they’ve achieved anything. But apart from the initial blip of “let’s look at GRA again” they have been very quiet whereas the others are making it worse.

I was very active in women’s rights a year ago and Tory MPs were the only ones willing to listen/meet with us. Everybody else was actively working against us.

Surely the particular candidates in a constituency and the relative strength of the various parties in the local area have a huge effect on how one is likely to vote.

It also depends on what is important to individuals, (childcare/jobs/pensions/housing/tax/small businesses), because although people vote for the general good they also take into account what they have direct experience of and vote for what affects them personally.

Dividing people like that is not helpful and encourages hatred. It is what got us into this mess in the first place.

Interesting. Like ClaireP20, working closely with the EU institutions has turned me from an EU supporter to passionately pro-Brexit. I would never have dreamt of this happening beforehand!

@writersblock2 I can understand repeating one vote until a different result is reached would be an affront to democracy. However, this would not be the case here.

Where new information or clearer information is available and there is a public demand, the same question can be asked again without it impacting democracy. I would argue it strengthens democracy.

In this particular case I would not ask the same question again. I do not believe it should have been asked in the way it was the first time. It was based on never having to fulfil a leave vote. It should always have been about what people thought was a good deal or have a second ref built in to ask the public what they wanted after the first question.

What we essentially had was EU (known) or not EU (array of possibilities). It was a bad question based on arrogance by David Cameron.

I personally came wait for the inquiry that I've no doubt is coming. Might take 10 years or 20 but it'll come.

But I think voting again and again until a different decision is made makes a mockery of democracy

That’s just a meaningless soundbite. No one is proposing that the referendum should be re run until the country votes to remain. The proposal is for a confirmatory referendum. Why is this undemocratic? Surely if the country wants to leave it can vote to leave again?

Also, enacting the result of the the 2016 referendum could hardly be regarded as democratic. The Leave campaign broke electoral law. If the referendum had been binding, the result would have been set aside. The only reason it wasn’t set aside is because it was a non-binding referendum... How is it anything but an affront to democracy to implement an illegally won advisory referendum?

I still don’t understand why people consider a second referendum to be undemocratic. If it’s really the ‘will of the people’ to leave then Leave will get the most votes again. If not, then it’s no longer the ‘will of the people’.

I’m a centre right remainer

Have always voted Conservative - but I feel very uncomfortable with what the Tory party has become so Lib Dem for me this time. First time ever I’ve changed my party

I’m a lifelong Tory voter and a strong remainer. I’ll be voting Tory because I believe that the Brexit vote has already been had and I respect democracy. I don’t like it, it disadvantages me personally but people had the chance to vote and the result should stand.

Lib Dem (many moderate/best conservatives have moved there) so there's hung parliament and a 2d ref, yet no Corbyn as PM.