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Are the conservatives really this popular?

999 replies

LabourHere · 02/12/2019 20:57

Listening to statistician on BBC who reckons the conservatives are head in all polls and will win a majority on election day.

I know only two people voting conservative (mil and dm). Who are all the other conservative voters??

Are the conservatives really going to win the election so easily?

If so...I'm very very sad Sad Wine

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thehorseandhisboy · 09/12/2019 17:38

readthesmallprint I was talking explicitly about people with life-limiting illnesses being declared fit for work.

JacobReesClunge · 09/12/2019 18:12

Getting Brexit done asap isn't a thing coppersulphate, unless you define asap as a very long time. By all means be in favour of leaving the EU, but leaving will only be the beginning. Then we'll be embroiled in years of interminable trade talks. It's going to take fucking ages.

ScreamingLadySutch · 09/12/2019 18:33

"Tax evasion in the black economy is huge - the likes of tradesmen & hairdressers working for cash which they don't declare, plus people selling duty free booze and fags, plus employees working cash in hand, etc. Official HMRC estimates of the tax-gap show it's one of the biggest components of the tax loss."

EXACTLY. It is up to 20% of GDP. Therefore, stop trying to STOP human nature, like the heavy handed 'The State is The Solution' lefties do, and REWARD that behaviour.

Stop punishing people for enterprise. Have a universal benefit that completely takes the State, moral hazard and bureaucrats out of it and allow people to have as many jobs and enterprises as they want.

That stops the stick part. Here is the carrot: encouraging people to enter the formal economy (submit tax returns above a certain income threshold) by entering them in an automatic draw and making one millionaire a week.

People respond to respect and encouragement, not being told what to do and what is good for them by the State. Lefties are utterly wrong.

ScreamingLadySutch · 09/12/2019 18:35

Low taxes, of course Wink

Vote Conservative. You know it makes sense!

NemophilistRebel · 09/12/2019 18:36

Guardian newspaper today prime down the 16 poles and gave an average showing conservatives way out front more so than they were for years

ScreamingLadySutch · 09/12/2019 18:51

The other thing I like about the Conservatives is that Saj was a banker.

He is going to go on a huge spending spree, especially on infrastructure investment. Why? Because interest rates are low, and he explains how he has priced the debt with regards to return on investment.

That is the kind of language I want to hear from my Chancellor of the Exchequer. Not some swivel eyed Marxist who thinks there exists a magic money tree.

ScreamingLadySutch · 09/12/2019 18:52

"ajid Javid’s life story is, by now, pretty well-known. The son of an immigrant bus driver, he scraped into sixth-form college then, after Exeter University, had a successful career as a banker. His time in finance persuaded him that there has been a big shift in global debt markets — one that he says will keep interest rates at rock-bottom for ten years or more.

So any investment likely to boost economic growth by a half-decent amount will be worthwhile, because the cost of borrowing is next to nothing. This is his ‘new era’. ‘Look at the demographic change going on across the world: people living longer, baby boomers getting older, retiring with a lot of assets compared to the previous generation,’ he says. ‘Investors are saying to government, in effect: “I’ve got loads of money for you that I want you to invest. And I don’t mind if you return me less than I’ve given you because that’s still a good return for me compared to everything else.”’

He says that if the interest rate charged is less than the rate of inflation this is — in real terms — a negative interest rate (or, in the jargon of government borrowing, ‘yield’). So the government is, in effect, being paid to borrow. ‘The Treasury didn’t even have models that could compute negative yields because they’d never thought this would happen,’ he says. ‘It just shows you how they weren’t set up for this. And I would be constantly challenging, saying: “Well, hold on. This is not right, I can knock up a spreadsheet in five minutes and work out a lot of it for myself!” But now I have the privilege of being in charge of the Treasury, we’ve already started making changes to models. To allow for what is, I think, a unique situation in terms of government investment.’

He now plans £100 billion spending over five years, on projects most likely to generate returns: he sees this as a basic business calculation. Universities, further education colleges, roads, railways: if it’s likely to develop a real-terms (i.e. above inflation) return to the taxpayer then it can go in the shopping basket. ‘We’ve already said that we will invest in the Manchester to Leeds connection. What we’re missing in infrastructure transport connections in our country is that everything’s well connected to London, but not cross-country.’ Then, telecoms. ‘Fibre-optic investment is another good example, with the 20 per cent roughly that the market won’t do, because it’s uneconomic for the market itself. We can invest a lot more quickly early on in connecting that 20 per cent.’" - Interview with Fraser Nelson

That is the government I like. Not career or union idiots, someone who has worked in the REAL WORLD

ScreamingLadySutch · 09/12/2019 18:57

"I put to him that this sounds an awful lot like Labour’s plan: government steps in to correct market failures, on broadband and more, and that with interest rates so low it would be rude not to borrow. ‘The difference is that Jeremy Corbyn is led by ideology. I’m led by laws of economics and what works. Labour has set out huge spending plans: some of this is infrastructure, but a lot isn’t. They make no distinction in what they’re borrowing, whether it’s for day-to-day spending or for infrastructure spending.’ The other difference, he says, is rules: his splurge would be abandoned if interest rates spike, and debt would never rise faster than economic growth. ‘[In] Labour’s plans, by their own admission, borrowing will be on a very steep upward trajectory. Uncontrolled.’"

ColourMagic · 09/12/2019 19:07

'Last week, the Institute for Fiscal Studies made many of the front pages with a partisan and breezy dismissal of Labour’s plans as “simply not credible”. Today, in its analysis of the three major parties’ manifestos, it conceded that Labour’s “vision is of a state not so dissimilar to those seen in many other successful western European economies”. Public spending would be at a lower share of national income than Germany and many other European countries.'

'..perhaps the most revealing aspect of the IFS [Institute for Fiscal Studies] analysis was the dishonesty of the Conservatives’ stated plans. The IFS points out that the Tories “would end up spending more than their manifesto implies and thus taxing or borrowing more”, with their proposals riddled with uncosted commitments and vague aspirations'.

XingMing · 09/12/2019 21:15

When did the OP last post?

ScreamingLadySutch · 09/12/2019 21:15

"Teach you child socialism.. get your child to clean the bathroom for fifteen pound. Then once hes finished, take 9 pound off him and give it to the other child for doing nothing.. see how long he stays a socialist.. !!"

Best quote ever from a working class guy who gets it

XingMing · 09/12/2019 21:29

Be fair @ScreamingLadySutch, £15 with £7.50 docked for the non worker, and £1 to mum for the cleaning materials!

XingMing · 09/12/2019 21:42

Er, taxed to pay for the idle child.

ArseDarkly · 09/12/2019 21:50

When did the OP last post?

What does it matter?

j712adrian · 09/12/2019 21:53

I'm traditionally Labour but will not vote for a party which disses Tony Blair.

It's the lowest of the low.

XingMing · 09/12/2019 21:59

I thought that Labour voters had abjured TBlair for his role in the Iraqi fiasco, not anything else? He won three elections?; well maybe, it was because he wasn't stupid.

XingMing · 09/12/2019 22:04

It's just interesting @ArseDarkly. When OPs don't follow their threads and continue the comments it suggests they aren't engaged. Once I am loved to write a post, I tend to follow what happens. In the current maelstrom, when that doesn't happen I usually assume it was a bot.

NemophilistRebel · 09/12/2019 22:04

Early 30’s family with 2 children and we are very much conservative voters

Labour would never get our vote

XingMing · 09/12/2019 22:05

moved, not loved... obvious typo, I hope.

Xenia · 09/12/2019 22:22

Glad to see so many Tory voters and well said, Screaming.

3 more days.... or 4 until we know the result I suppose.

NemophilistRebel · 09/12/2019 22:27

First time voting for someone I work with.
Asked if they had decided and they responded ‘labour of course, il get free broadband’ Sad

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 09/12/2019 22:30

Tony Blair was always seen by many on the left of the party to be a traitor to the party even though he won three elections the party was taken more to centre left under Blair and Brown - because they understood floating voters are needed as are those more to the centre

Still shall be in opposition once again but that better than being in power and more to the centre of politics

If there is a hung parliament (I don’t think there will be) the best result would be labour MP’s breaking away from Corbyn and Co to form an alliance with other parties but I don’t see that happening

cherish123 · 09/12/2019 22:32

While I think BJ is hugely unpopular, particularly amongst the better educated, there are swathes of people in the S.E. who will only vote Tory no matter what. This is compounded by the fact that Labour are extremely weak and are not offering clear leadership. Labour need a more centrist leader to win a election.

EntropyRising · 10/12/2019 07:34

I'm traditionally Labour but will not vote for a party which disses Tony Blair.

Even though he's a cunt of the highest order?

Xenia · 10/12/2019 10:39

BJ is quite popular. What I am seeing in this election perhaps more than earlier ones is that each side seems to mix with and read articles and news only brought out by their side so think everyone has similar views. I thin k it s better if people can listen to all points of view (my father used to get the Observer and the Sunday TYimes in the days before internet so he had both views and that is very wise and I hope we can all continue that to this day).

If Labour wants to convert a lot of Tory voters to their side they will need to listen to Tory voters' concerns and see how they can address them . I do not think they have done that enough so that probably why Labour won't win on Thursday. But I voted remain and said Remain would win in 2016 and I was wrong so who knows..... I might be wrong again.