How anyone can vote Tory?

[Stella8686]

After seeing some pro labour and pro conservatives posts recently I am genuinely interested to see what makes someone vote conservative

OTHER THAN

1. Hard/ quick Brexit
2. Looking after your own finances
3. Hatred for Labour/ Corbyn

ABIU to not be able to think of any single other reason to vote conservative?

[BlooperReel]

Personally I am finding it incredibly difficult to vote for anyone, I think they are all a shower of shite.

[ChardonnaysDistantCousin]

I actually don't have a problem with paying tax, but I do object to it being pissed up the wall on gimmicks like providing "free" broadband for everyone.

It's not even a gimmick, it's very dangerous. It can be used to suppress freedom of expression.

How many was the state controlled broadband in China used to block Twitter and other sites?

[Alsohuman]

the hard left want to blame the 'selfish wealthy' rather than the failings in their own party.

So anyone choosing not to vote Conservative is now “hard left”. What failings in the other parties? They haven’t been in power for nearly ten years. Trying to close discussion down is a bit totalitarian, don’t you think?

[Moomin8]

When we leave the EU, everyone is going to have to pay more tax whether they like it or not 🤷🏻‍♀️

[Chloemol]

Because I don’t want a weak kneed ,Jew hating , terrorist sympathiser leading this country, someone who is in thrall to the unions, preparing to nationalise everything, taking us back to the bad days of the seventies, who has already said he would press the nuclear button, putting us in a weak position with others, who makes up policies on the hoof- like where’s the money for the money caught up in pensions going to come from? Who flip flops between what he wants and doesn’t want

Is that enough for you?

[Chloemol]

Should be won’t press

[5zeds]

I find it hard to find anyone who admits to voting conservative despite living in a very safe seat . I think it’s very easy to live in a bubble of like minded friends and family and never interact with those of very different views. I genuinely AM interested in why people would choose to vote for Boris, just as I was interested in how a country that voted in Obama could then vote in Trump. What drives all of this? I think often people vote on a single issue. The one that speaks to them or effects them most directly.

[Alsohuman]

You want a PM who’d press the nuclear button? Seriously? Fucking hell.

[GiveHerHellFromUs]

@Alsohuman have I said everyone who doesn't vote Tory is hard left? No.
Not every Labour or Lib Dem voter posts goady MN threads though, do they?

Oh I don't know, anti semitism. Lying about the NHS. Attempting to nationalise everything. Making promises without any way of funding any of it... these are the reasons Labour are dropping down the polls.

When did I try to close down discussion? I'm happy to have a discussion.
As I said previously, it's fine to debate if there's a bit of respect about it. We're allowed different views but when people get nasty or abusive because someone doesn't agree with them, that's conversation over because as I said, it'd mean it's no longer constructive.

[Chloemol]

Labour also works on spend and bust, their policies alienate those who they want to tax, those people just won’t do it, they will move abroad, they won’t take that promotion, roles will stagnate, as will employment.

[5zeds]

I find the insistence that those women should just float us their pensions because it’s a bit pricey to give them their money an awful way to think. How can we treat people like that? Do we want to be the kind of country that behaves unfairly like that? Why? I pay my debts and pay my way, and teach my children to do the same. They and I don’t want to take people’s pensions from them. . This is a predominantly female chat site FFS. If we can’t see the injustice and expect it to be put right what hope is there?

[Chloemol]

@Alsohuman. Don’t be an idiot, of course not, but I don’t want someone who said he definitely won’t in power. It’s a threat all, those that have the nuclear bomb won’t use it, we hope, but you have to be prepared to, idiot Corbyn has said he won’t

I want someone who is prepared to defend this country, not a wish washy idiot

[Moomin8]

Ok, @Chloemol , lets just dissect some of that

1. Jew hating

I would take issue with this point for a start. But somehow you're happy to have a PM who spends his time with Eugenicists? How is that any better? If you think Boris Johnson isn't a racist you need to take head out of sand...

1. Terrorist sympathiser

Where is the evidence for this? The Tories don't seem to have minded using the DUP, a party with connections to Ulster to prop up their minority government.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/dup-conservatives-northern-ireland-coalition-ulster-defence-association-paramilitaries-peace-process-a7782631.html%3famp

If you're going to vote Tory, then don't pretend it's out of 'concern' about anti semitism and terrorists. Because that's just disingenuous.

[GiveHerHellFromUs]

@Alsohuman Jo Swinson said she'd be willing to press the nuclear button too.
I am guessing you're a Labour voter but I just want to be clear that there's more than two horses in this race and a lot of remainers will lean towards Lib Dem.

[5zeds]

@Chloemol Perhaps it’s time we all grew up and stopped my bomb’s bigger than your bomb so don’t you dare, rhetoric?

[Chloemol]

@5zeds I am one of those woman, however I also understand this country doesn’t have the money to keep on paying, hence moving the pension age. It’s also unfair women got the pension at 60 and men at 65, that’s been equalised to 67. Should the men also get a payment? I don’t see anything about that?

Someone somewhere will suffer on any movement of any benefits, look at UC.

There was lots of information out there this was going to happen

[Redcherries]

I fully agree that there are large businesses out there not paying the tax they should be and this needs to be dealt with. However, the small businesses will suffer under Labour, everyone talks about Elite and large corporations but what about us. We employ people, contract work to other small businesses who employ people and buy supplies from local businesses too.

When we hit the stage we can't justify the taxes, wages and increased cost of materials created by suppliers price increases to cover the hike plus higher wages and this potential 4 day week for 5 day wages (I'd love to see our clients pay for the cutting edge technology needed to cut our work down, never going to happen, especially with increased living costs, plus it would mean job losses in the field) we will fold.

So the 'pot' loses all of the companies taxes, all of the employees taxes plus our own. We face losing our home, our teams will also (jobs in the field will reduce as our competitors will be in the same boat as us) and we will all need support from the 'pot' we were adding too.

The companies we contract work to will lose a substantial chunk of their turnover and it will be a domino effect. Our suppliers will lose more income and as more and more of us go we're likely to see suppliers fold too. Even more jobs lost and money out of the 'pot'.

Between the business, wages, and personal tax we pay hundreds of thousands a year, sometimes more, sometimes less depending on the economy at the time. Uncertainty in the country is already impacting our field as people are hesitant to spend.

Increased tax is not just for large corporations and the Elite. We don't earn over 80k and none of my staff do either. Theres a larger picture.

But I guess we can all go home (if we still have them) and use our free broadband to search for non-existent jobs.

[5zeds]

Men did get their pensions later but also got paid more (on average) over their lifetime so I doubt are really the losers, don’t you? I don’t have unlimited cash either, I still do what is right.

[Moomin8]

@Chloemol Perhaps it’s time we all grew up and stopped my bomb’s bigger than your bomb so don’t you dare, rhetoric?

I've never seen a Tory voter use any evidence that the Conservatives have been good for the UK. There are, however studies which show that people are dying needlessly under their administration.

[OoohTheStatsDontLie]

Surely personal financial reasons and wanting a harder brexit are pretty big reasons? I wont be voting tory but I can see why someone would. Eg last election they were promising the 30 hours free childcare...that makes a difference of about 10k a year per child. Hard to ignore

[curlykaren]

@Chloemol Boris Johnson knows that there has been Russian interference in our election proceedings, is suppressing the findings but its Corbyn who is dangerous? Well done, it must have taken quite the mental acrobatics to get to that conclusion.

[Chloemol]

@Moomin8, have you read the issues with women MPs in the Labour Party who also happen to be a Jewish, where’s JCs support? Oh there isn’t any, has he apologies for the antiseminism in his party
? Er no. The chief Rabbi did a speech a few days ago, read it? I suggest you do

Terrorist, he, let’s invite Gerry Adams to the House of Parliament just after the Brighton bomb, look at his comments about Palestine, oh yes and let’s bring that girl back from Syria, she may have lost children, but she believed the Manchester arena bomb was right to do

Did I say I was going to vote Tory? I am just not voting Labour

[Moomin8]

It’s also unfair women got the pension at 60 and men at 65, that’s been equalised to 67.

Ffs. Women give birth, that takes years off your life.

[5zeds]

I think it’s that living in a bubble thing @Moomin8. People genuinely have no idea what it’s like to live outside their normal. For all the social media etc, we really all just huddle with those like ourselves.

[5zeds]

What comments about Palestine has JC made that upset you?