How anyone can vote Tory?

[Stella8686]

After seeing some pro labour and pro conservatives posts recently I am genuinely interested to see what makes someone vote conservative

OTHER THAN

1. Hard/ quick Brexit
2. Looking after your own finances
3. Hatred for Labour/ Corbyn

ABIU to not be able to think of any single other reason to vote conservative?

[GiveHerHellFromUs]

@CallmeAngelina don't forget that Theresa May also asked him to sit with her and reach a compromise to make a deal that worked for both Labour and the Conservatives and he point blank refused because he'd rather act like a petulant child than do what the country asked the government to do.

[ReadtheSmallPrint]

Funny isn't it how most people cannot give a reason to vote Tory, just attack op for her post.

The clue is in the word ‘genuinely interested’. On MN that means “I want to hear your reasons so we can all tell you how wrong you are and here are a thousand links to ‘unbiased’ articles in the guardian and ‘independent’ to prove it. If all else fails someone will tell you that you hate the poor and disabled and I hope you never get ill”.

So, why would anyone bother?

[derxa]

It always slips down the order behind the NHS, Brexit etc but actually ensuring that our agriculture is safe and we all get fed going forwards is surprisingly at the top of my agenda. You're right there mate.

[viviennesorb]

I'm voting Lib Dem and am aware engaging in this is largely pointless but:

• More of a focus on giving people the tools to help themselves long term rather than handouts. I don't think UC is perfect or even good but I understand the concept. Some people lack budgeting skills, which is unsurprising when they come from families who have been of working age during a time when it made more sense to be on benefits than work. That needs to change and everyone should be given the opportunity to manage their own finances, whether they earn that themselves or receive benefits.

• A focus on business. Labour bots often raise this in a negative light but after the last labour government and recession many people became accidentally self employed. Small businesses are an asset to this country, it's not just huge faceless corporations who would be affected by raises in corporation tax etc.

• A more realistic approach to spending. Austerity is horrible but cuts have to be made in order to reduce debt. Do I think all the cuts that have been made have been sensible? No. But I certainly don't think that renationalising the railways, inventing more bank holidays and removing tuition fees is a viable alternative.

• A better manifesto. I want more police on the streets, more money for the NHS and an end to the uncertainly the Brexit limbo has caused (remain voter here) which is affecting the housing market, businesses and every day people in a negative way. It seems achievable and realistic, unlike what Corbin is pedalling.

And lastly whilst I hope people vote for informed reasons, I can't help but think the ridiculous hyperbole around the Tories from Labour supporters isn't helping. It's become the accepted stance and the 'woke' view that Labour are great and the Tories are evil. I've read on MN recently that Tory voters have blood on their hands, kill the disabled and are responsible for (insert made up number here) deaths.

It's just ridiculous and immature. I imagine the Tories are going to win a majority. Who are all these blood thirsty, fox hunting, mega rich arseholes who seem to keep voting for them? It's almost as if every day people are ...

[RedSheep73]

Being stupid. Being an arsehole. Being so rich you don't give a fuck. If I was being charitable I might say maybe there's a better-the-devil-you-know element. No good reasons, obviously.

[ChardonnaysDistantCousin]

I wasn’t sure how to vote. Still aren’t, but how can anyone vote for nationalised state provided broadband?

That the easiest way to silence critics.

[Moomin8]

I feel the same OP.

I think that some people are in denial that the conservatives only benefit a very few people in the UK who earn around £100k+ or people who don't use public services. They also borrow as much, or more than Labour but they just don't spend that money on services.

Another 5 years of them is going to razor the U.K. to the ground.

[Elodie2019]

Q. Why are people voting for their Tory candidate?

A. Corbyn , Brexit, Corbyn, Brexit, oven ready, let's get job done, Anti-Semite, Blather, Corbyn, Brexit, oven ready. Delay, Brexit, oven ready, Corbyn,

HTH OP.

[Elodie2019]

I'll be voting Labour.

[GiveHerHellFromUs]

@Moomin8 if that was the case surely they'd get such a small amount of votes that they'd just dissolve the party?

[ChardonnaysDistantCousin]

Also, how can anyone vote for a totalitarian megalomaniac?

I don’t agree with everything the Conservatives stand for, but the alternative is even worse.

[GiveHerHellFromUs]

@ChardonnaysDistantCousin they also want to re-nationalise the railways too.

It's just going to drive big companies out of the UK and leave these services underfunded, with the staff treated like shit, just like the NHS.

I think they need to prove that a nationalised service can be successful and they just didn't manage to do so the last time they were in power.

[dynami]

But it is the case. Unless you are an elite, the Conservative party don’t offer anything. I really hope that those voting Tory don’t need schools nhs or any other public service in 5 years time after they’ve been decimated.

[CallmeAngelina]

I'm furious with Labour, actually. If ever we needed a united, firm opposition, it's now. I want to be able to vote for them, but i just can't.
If Corbyn had stepped down and they''d put someone else (anyone!!) as leader, it might have been a go-er. But he point-blank refused, and Labour (and their voters) will pay for it.

[rosie1959]

If I was a Labour voter I would question why are they doing so badly in the polls
Little point in questioning every Conservative voter
Labour are popular on this forum but not so it seems out in the real world

[FlyingNorth]

2 and 3 are plenty. Why do people need other reasons?

[merrymouse]

"OTHER THAN

1. Hard/ quick Brexit
   
2. Looking after your own finances
   
3. Hatred for Labour/ Corbyn"
   

Surely you have answered your own question OP?

1) Whether or not you agree with them, a lot of people voted for Brexit. While Labour may have disappointed Remainers, it's also difficult to argue that they are a Brexit party.
2) Both Labour and Conservatives believe that people are influenced by their personal finances, otherwise both parties wouldn't be making the manifesto promises they are making, so yes people probably are thinking about their own finances.
3) It's a toss up whether Johnson or Corbyn is more unpopular, but on balance it looks as though Corbyn is winning the unpopularity contest.

[GiveHerHellFromUs]

@dynami and what do Labour offer? Long term, how is Labours plan sustainable?

I'm not one of the elite but I can see Labour getting us into an unsalvageable position financially

[Actionhasmagic]

Yanbu - vote to save our nhs listen to the doctors and nurses

[merrymouse]

Unless you are an elite, the Conservative party don’t offer anything.

Both Johnson and Corbyn claim to be fighting 'the elite'.

[Camomila]

I can understand it, they just have different priorities to me.

Some people think that individuals should get to keep more of their own money...I would rather pay more taxes to have better public services for everyone.
Some people think we should be 'tough on crime'...I think that money would be better spent on sure start and youth clubs etc so teens don't turn to crime.
Some people want less immigration, I like the EU for all the benefits it provides in terms of international cooperation and for the freedom to work/live/study in 28 countries.
I care a lot about relative poverty, some people believe in trickle down economics.

[ReadtheSmallPrint]

Interesting to hear the bloke from the Resolution Foundation yesterday confirm what a lot of us already realise - that there is disappointingly little in the Labour Party manifesto to actually help the ‘working poor’ whilst huge giveaways (WASPI women and university tuition) for some of the better off. The relative reduction in poverty is arguably down to simply making the ‘rich’ less rich.

Labour appeal more and more to public sector professionals and less and less to their traditional ‘working class’ voters.

[Camomila]

Of course, not all Tory voters will think all of those things, and some Labour voters voted leave/want to be 'tough on crime' but the gist is that people just have really different ideas on what's good for the country.

[ChardonnaysDistantCousin]

Unless you are an elite, the Conservative party don’t offer anything.

But it's Labour who don't offer anything, they only ever promise. They have never delivered their promises, they just promise something bigger and people fall for it.

I'm so disappointed in Labour voters here on MN, the ones who keep attacking posters who dare have other opinions and call them all sorts of names and level all sort of accusations on them. Being aggressive doesn't help the point you are trying to make, it just shows that you are aggressive and cannot tolerate other ways of thinking.

[Spinderellacutituponetime]

Boris Johnson is ‘dangerous’. A known liar, misogynist, racist and a bloody idiotic buffoon with no moral compass. Honestly I can’t think of one reason to vote for him and am continually amazed at the idiots that want to. ...but then again people are queuing up and fighting over buying stuffed carrots at Aldi so the world is pretty much bonkers.