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To think my DP has a drink problem? He doesn't think so

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Pirandello24 · 28/11/2019 12:12

I genuinely can't see the wood for the trees with this one. My DP is perfectly able to have a drink or two with dinner, family events etc. However when he goes out with friends it's like he completely loses control. Last night he went out for "a few drinks" with a group of friends he hasn't seen for a while. It's mid week, we have two young non-sleeping DCs who we take it in turns to do nights/ mornings with- we agreed I'd do the night wakings if he got up with them at 6.30 to give me a bit of a lie in. I expected (or hoped really) that he'd come home after the pub has shut, quite tipsy, and pass out in bed til the morning.

Except at 1am I was woken up by a retching noise in my ear. DP was throwing up in bed, so drunk that he couldn't even turn his head to the side. He was choking on his sick whilst continuing to throw up. It was like something out of a medical drama tbh. I jumped out of bed, tried to push him on his side into the recovery position, petrified he was going to choke to death. He was so drunk I couldn't move him though, so had to sit there while he finishing puking and choking and crying "help me". Once he'd finished he passed out in his sick and I went to sleep in the spare room. Or more accurately, lie there crying and wondering what the fuck to do.

This isn't a one off. I've started to dread his nights out now as I know he'll say he's going out for a drink and end up rolling home God knows when. He's ruined weekend plans, been mugged on the train because he passed out. He's often in a foul mood the next day, and it really impacts badly on his anxiety. The hardest thing is that if I try to talk to him about it and say that this is not ok, he looks at me like I'm crazy, says he's doesn't have a problem. He'll never apologise unless I ask him too, and even then it's so grudging and almost contemptuous. I don't know what to do. Is it me? Should I be more understanding? I just don't want the kids to grow up with this.

OP posts:
Happygirl79 · 28/11/2019 18:45

Surely you realise you and your children deserve more?
YANBU

Shannith · 28/11/2019 18:55

@TheOneWithTheNewName as I said I'm here to help. PM me if you want to.

I was where your DH is. I don't have all the answers but I do know you are not alone.

TwattingDog · 28/11/2019 19:03

Binge drinking can still be alcohol abuse.

It isn't necessary to be hiding empty vodka bottles, necking a crate of beer or drinking a bottle of wine 7 nights a week.

I've had had very stern conversations with DH in the past to address his binge drinking, where it had become a problem. He has stopped drinking spirits, and it's made a huge difference.

There's a difference between a night out where you get a bit more drunk than anticipated, and this behaviour.

Definitely boot him out, even if only for a few days - he needs to effect change. Now.

jewel1968 · 29/11/2019 12:06

I think this is tricky. If he has a drink problem or is an alcoholic then it is an illness or an affliction and he in some ways is also a victim. I know lots of alcoholics in my family and it is frustrating to witness the self harm and the harm done to others especially children. I also have a family member who is an addiction counselor and he has explained to me the AA doesn't work for everyone so you should explore other forms of counseling. Watching anyone selfdestruct is heartbreaking but you can't make anybody do what you want them to do. All you can control is how you respond. You can try and be supportive or give ultimatums but only you know which is best approach with him.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 29/11/2019 13:26

I also have a family member who is an addiction counselor and he has explained to me the AA doesn't work for everyone so you should explore other forms of counseling.

I tried several other things before I tried AA. All of them taught some form of controlled drinking. But the truth was that if I'd been able to control my drinking I wouldn't have needed counselling.

The recovery rate for alcoholism/problem drinking is frighteningly low. No solution is guaranteed. But AA is the most successful.

Only complete abstinence worked for me. And as OP's DP hasn't yet tried anything I'd suggest AA would be the best place to start.

pointythings · 29/11/2019 15:22

He absolutely has a serious problem with alcohol and you and your young children should not be around this. I second going to a support group for yourself to help you recover from co-dependency and set boundaries. You can't help him, only yourself.

People do find sobriety- my DSis' partner is 10 years sober - but it is a minority who do. My husband didn't and it cost him everything, including his life. My DDs and I are still working on our own recovery.

I agree that setting an ultimatum can work - my sister did just that. I did it too. But you have to 100% mean it and follow through, even if that means splitting up. I did that too and have no regrets. Good luck. Flowers

MrsTerryPratchett · 29/11/2019 15:42

The recovery rate for alcoholism/problem drinking is frighteningly low. No solution is guaranteed. But AA is the most successful.

I'd argue that good quality, long duration, residential treatment is the most successful. But AA is the best of a bad lot in the community.

Dapplegrey · 29/11/2019 15:54

All of them taught some form of controlled drinking.

I find it terrifying that counsellors for alcoholism actually think alcoholics can control their drinking. Where do they learn this sort of dangerous nonsense?
Op, I’d also recommend al Anon - it’s brilliant.

MissConductUS · 29/11/2019 17:09

I tried several other things before I tried AA. All of them taught some form of controlled drinking. But the truth was that if I'd been able to control my drinking I wouldn't have needed counselling.

Prawn nails it, as usual. For someone with moderate to severe alcoholism, there's no such thing as controlled drinking. Their brains have undergone a biochemical change from the addiction:

Molecular basis of alcoholism

I'd argue that good quality, long duration, residential treatment is the most successful. But AA is the best of a bad lot in the community.

I had to do an inpatient detox, but it was only 7 days, which is about how long it takes to be over the worst of the physical withdrawal symptoms. While longer would have been great that's was all my insurance would cover and I needed to get back to work to cover my bills. Another few weeks might have lowered my risk of relapse but I also needed to learn how to live in the real world sober at some point.

Jeremybearimybaby · 29/11/2019 17:14

Haven't RTFT, but to quote Al-Anon for family members of people with alcohol issues, 'I didn't cause it, I can't control it and I can't cure it.' The only person who can sort this, is him. You're not to blame for his excessive drinking.

Justmuddlingalong · 29/11/2019 17:16

I remember that feeling of dread in the pit if my stomach when Ex was planning a big night out. He would get completely snottered when out for a night. I'm no longer with him and I'm glad that his alcohol consumption and behaviour no longer impacts my life.

tttigress · 29/11/2019 17:24

Not good, by what are his friends like?

Could it be a problem with peer pressure?

Maybe at least tell him to reduce the nights out to every 5 or 6 weeks, and drink less when he does go out.

tttigress · 29/11/2019 17:25

I don't think he has a drink problem in the sense of being an alcoholic.

AlexaAmbidextra · 29/11/2019 17:35

I don't think he has a drink problem in the sense of being an alcoholic.

I don’t think it matters one bit whether it has a label or not. The effect on his family is the same. ☹️

billy1966 · 29/11/2019 17:40

Honestly OP, that was hard to read.

How truly awful for you.
And it's happening every couple of weeks.

I think you were absolutely right to photograph him.

I would think it is perfectly reasonable for you to tell him that he either seeks help or moves out.

He has most certainly a drink problem, as have you. Him.

I really hope you seek support IRL.

Tell those who love you that you need support.

Those photos need to be re-sent to him repeatedly if he refuses to discuss this you.

Also email them to a safe place. He could try and delete them.

Preferably put a lock on your phone.

I think you need to no longer tolerate him tell you this is no big deal.

This is a huge deal.

I certainly wouldn't trust him around children, as you know yourself.

Wishing you strength 💐

MrsTerryPratchett · 29/11/2019 18:00

While longer would have been great that's was all my insurance would cover and I needed to get back to work to cover my bills. Another few weeks might have lowered my risk of relapse but I also needed to learn how to live in the real world sober at some point.

We used to do this: 7 day detox, several week rehab, several month dry/sober housing, several years groups/return to rehab when risky. Very expensive but it works. The rehab was closed in favour of day treatment.

The cheap comes out expensive.

MissConductUS · 29/11/2019 18:30

We used to do this: 7 day detox, several week rehab, several month dry/sober housing, several years groups/return to rehab when risky. Very expensive but it works.

The hospital didn't turn me out into the snow. I did about 2-3 months of outpatient support (group counseling) and AA. I also saw a psychotherapist for a time who was a recovering alcoholic.

Fortunately, for me it was enough. I was never seriously tempted to pick up again.

MitziK · 29/11/2019 18:35

I'd tell him that he's used up all his chances and from now on, he's on his own - if he gets so drunk that he starts throwing up in his sleep, he's being left to die. Or he moves into a shitty bedsit to die there.

This one didn't die this time, so he doesn't think there's a problem. If he refuses to accept that reality, then he is going to kill himself sooner rather than later. If you felt like being particularly helpful, you could also send him an article or two about how many people die of drowning after the event and suggest that he seeks medical attention in case he's going to do that in the next couple of days, what with the amount of vomit he will have in his lungs now.

There is no gentle way of dealing with an alcoholic. They might tell you there is, but there isn't.

messolini9 · 29/11/2019 18:44

I don't think he has a drink problem in the sense of being an alcoholic.

Of course he does.
He has been mugged, sick in his bed, may have died the other night had OP not been present, & cannot control his intake on nights out (despite being able to on eg family meals).

Alcoholism doesn't only consist of pouring gin on the cornflakes, or needing to drink to excess every day. There are plenty of alcoholics who are able to abstain ... until their next destructive binge.

MrsTerryPratchett · 29/11/2019 20:23

Of course he does.

Well he might not be physically if he's binge drinking. Problem drinkers who don't drink every day are medically different to those who do. Firstly, and most importantly, people addicted physically have to safely detox and alcohol is the most dangerous drugs to detox off of.

jewel1968 · 30/11/2019 13:43

I think my family member who is an addiction counselor said something about AA having a spiritual element that might not ressonate with people. I don't believe he advocates controlled drinking and does advocate complete cessation. And I think he treats people that AA didn't work for.

He also treats lots of different types of addiction. Just something to consider. Nothing wrong with doing your own research.

Purpleartichoke · 30/11/2019 13:51

Most alcoholics hold jobs and manage to appear normal most of the time. It’s about dependency and the impact the drinking has on you and the people around you.

Passing out on the train or being so drunk he sleeps in his own sick is not even a functional alcoholic.  It’s one step away from the laying in a gutter stereotype.  

He needs to seek treatment, but the worst thing about this disease is that you can’t fix him. All you can do is protect yourself and your children.

Shooturlocalmethdealer · 30/11/2019 16:03

Film him on your cellphone next time he vomits everywhere.
Maybe if he sees this sober he will realize what you are saying?
Maybe he needs help for alcohol.

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