Sister-in-law is getting a french bulldog puppy and am feeling very judgemental about it!

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From all I’ve read, this breed is riddled with health problems. And the mothers can’t give birth, they have to have c-sections.

I think my sister-in-law is being superficial to get such a breed. I think she likes them because celebrities have them.

I’m being a judgey cow, aren’t I? But who would get such a breed? It must be a vanity thing, right?

There was a study done a few years back that showed just over 80% of frenchie litters were delivered by c-section.

Example one.

What an English Setter is supposed to look like and what they look like now

YANBU.

My ex-h and his new partner got a French bulldog together. Absolutely confirmed my opinion of their judgment and sense.

The best that can be said for it is it's good tempered (constant attempts to shag my leg notwithstanding). But constantly in the vets', can't breathe, and has horrible claws because apparently they can only be trimmed by the vet.

Also, really ugly. Although I know that's subjective.

Example two.

What a cocker spaniel is supposed to look like and what they look like now

This is what a bulldog looked like at the end of the 19th century. What has happened to them is disgraceful

Example three.

What a German Shepherd is supposed to look like and what they look like now

I love posters insistence that purebreds should have their line continued in case it dies out. As if they’re some at risk naturally occurring species.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=vhfCdF6qnyA

Today 19:07 frostedviolets

Example three.

What a German Shepherd is supposed to look like and what they look like now

My beautiful, loving and truly incredible babies say hello.... your being very judgemental over a breed that has had negative press due to popularity and theft. If you can welcome these stunning dogs into your home with the knowledge they have health issues then you are being a responsible owner and that's why you have pet insurance. Also humans have c-sections as babies are too big. Try to be happy for people and help educate them on things your passionate about

i love posters insistence that purebreds should have their line continued in case it dies out. As if they’re some at risk naturally occurring species

Some dog breeds (particularly working dog breeds) are often tied to cultural practices and a point of pride bit various cultures and minority ethnicities. I suppose I do understand where those people may be coming from.

Final example.

What a Golden Retriever is supposed to look like.
Shock, it's actually GOLD 😱 And what they look like now

Dog breeding is just a disgrace.

All about the looks.
No emphasis on temperament.
Except in working dogs.
Who we are all brainwashed into believing are terrible pets
😡

I really don't see what 'being a responsible owner' or having 'good insurance' has to do with it. Neither of these things alter the fact that these dogs suffer as a result of being bred to look a certain way

I have a working type lab who is fantastic. He is from fully health tested parents (with health tests also going back a few generations). The backs on GSDs are awful now. No wonder their hips are buggered. Why did ‘we’ do that? It looks terrible.

If you can welcome these stunning dogs into your home with the knowledge they have health issues then you are being a responsible owner

You make it sound like they are affected by some minor affliction.
They can't breathe properly!
A really serious life changing disability....
So responsible to deliberately buy one 🤦🏻‍♀️

Lizzy, IMO it has naff all to do with it. It is bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted.

Some dog breeds (particularly working dog breeds) are often tied to cultural practices and a point of pride bit various cultures and minority ethnicities. I suppose I do understand where those people may be coming from.

I can understand wanting to keep old breeds that don’t have a fraction of the health issues caused by today’s horrendous inbreeding/cross breeding. Those old breeds, as shown in frostedviolets were a lot healthier, in particular the working breeds. But what we have done to some of those poor dogs and continue to do, including ‘accidental breeding’, is beyond cruel and selfish. Funny how none of the people who have had accidents, hand all the money over to any animal charities.

Lil221 You are missing the point. It is morally wrong and should be criminal, to breed an animal for its looks and IGNORE the fact that those looks cause it health problems. People rightly judge others who go out of their way to breed animals they know will be sick all their lives because flat faces and bulging eyes are deemed cute and the animals need to breathe or run about is secondary to this. And we judge the people who create the demand for this, people who buy these cute puppies and do no research into breeders or what makes a healthy puppy. You DO know these dogs did not originally look this? Would it stop your enjoyment of these dogs in anyway if they were a bit taller, had longer muzzles, straighter legs?

A really serious life changing disability that threatens respiratory arrest and death at any point. Some of these dogs with severe BOAS have blue/purple tongues from the deoxygenation, ffs.

#I can understand wanting to keep old breeds that don’t have a fraction of the health issues caused by today’s horrendous inbreeding/cross breeding. Those old breeds, as shown in frostedviolets were a lot healthier, in particular the working breeds. But what we have done to some of those poor dogs and continue to do, including ‘accidental breeding’, is beyond cruel and selfish

Ah, yes. 100% agree with this. I just have a bit of a problem with people that are against dog breeds and breeding in general.

I feel exactly the same. Any breed with an unnaturally short nose can't breathe properly. As you say, they can't give birth naturally. The Kennel club has so much to answer for. It is great that mixed breeds have made such a come back. Mind you, what used to be a called a mongrel and often couldn't be given away, now sells for £800.00 plus. There are so many dogs that have had exaggerated features bred into them that cause suffering. Everyone should do lots of research before choosing a dog.

Financially contributing to the breeding of dogs that can't even breath or walk properly is really immoral imo. It's animal abuse... And Idk why animal lovers support it.

My daughter is training to be a vet nurse and some of the Frenchies and the pugs they have at her practice can be heard panting, at rest, from the consulting rooms as they wait for their appointment. Every breath is a struggle. No, it's not every Frenchie, and no, good breeders will do their best to ensure their dog is healthy but chucking out the fashion statement on looks and insisting a dog have a muzzle is a way of protecting every pup, whether it is bred from a good breeder or a bad one.

I couldn’t get worked up about it TBH

The problem is that if we are to outcross or whatever to breed the healthy features back in (patent airways, non protruding eyes etc), what happens to the puppies bred on the journey to making the perfect new example of the breed. It won’t happen with the first mating will it? There’ll be tweaks and changes and mistakes made. It’ll take generations to get the old features back.

So in the meantime, do these ‘experimental’ offspring (who will still have the problems) get adopted/sold, perpetuating the fashion for these frankendogs? Doesn’t that just make ‘us’ as bad as those unethically breeding unhealthy dogs and pumping them into the market (be they rescue or sold)? Or do we euthanise every ‘wrong’ litter until the desirable healthy outcome is reached, or we get sufficiently close to it that we are happy that the offspring we create aren’t suffering just to live their daily lives, or having to undergo numerous high risk and painful procedures to do so?

We've got a deposit down on a miniature dachshund pup who we are due to bring home the week before Christmas and I am absolutely sick of judgey arseholes people with comments like the majority on here.

Yes DP and I work full time, however we've budgeted for dog walkers and doggy day care, we've researched the breed and know exactly what we need to do. Bringing him home before Christmas because either DP or I will be at home at all times for the next month.

So the moral/health issue aside, stop judging. She might be more clued up and prepared than you think